27th Frontier Open presented by DD

[smitty]

Thanks all of you who made the long trip or short trip to Frontier Park. It was an absolute blast.

I enjoyed 3 cards that I played on. Round 1 Ring was throwing putts in from all over the course. Round 2 more of the same, this time it was Stun hitting an ace on 17, canning putts for days and Wiggins just destroying the course of the tee. Third round I watched some of the most amazing disc golf shots I have ever seen in Hays. Wiggins had legit ace runs that turned into birdies on holes 15, 16, and 18! He also went of the basket on hole 2 and canned putts from the top of the hill on A&B, and a 40 footer on 3 for a 2. Crispin had a drop in 3 on 12, park job on 14 and killer bird on 15.

The party and "Buffalo Chip" where an absolute blast. $3 bucks/round on all holes that could be aced with a putter? Come on you got to hit at least one was the way you felt after coming off that course. 7 Aces were hit and just over $500 bones were split. Wiggins had the early lead with the first Ace. Then Brett Straight went back to back on him on holes 8 and 9. Then I was able to steal a little piece of the pie on hole 3. Then Dustin went back to back on him with Aces on 8 and 9. It looked like that was going to be the end of it, until Crispin rounded up people for one last drunken round. 15 people grabbed a beverage of choice and headed out on the course to watch Stun finish off his day with a 4th Ace on hole 7. What a blast!!!

I hope everyone enjoyed the "split". I know that the 24 hole round on Sunday was a killer both mentally and physically. We would really like to know your take on it. i know that both courses could easily be expanded to 20 holes each. The East course already had 19 holes, and an extra could easily be added after the island hole. The west it would be a little more of a challenge, but there is plenty of room along the dike to add holes.

Did you like the format?
Would you like to go back to 3 X 24?
Where there any holes that were to much? or not challenging enough?

Thanks again to all who made this event a success, and make sure to bring a car full of buddies next year.

Smitty

[R/B]

Congrats Smitty! Love your determination! Your like a NASCAR racer........pace , pace, pace, pedal down when you see the finish line. GREAT WIN! wish I could have been there.

[smitty]

.....wish I could have been there.

You were in spirit, we jammed your cd before and after rounds.

[kscustom]

I liked last year better.this year the courses were fair but. I personally like the regular courses, and did we really get done any sooner? Maybe a little Saturday but sunday would be no different. I also understand the want for more people but there is fine line that has to be decided upon. What is the cost of trying to squeez in more people. Being big or even huge is one thing but if quality starts to slip then what's the point. I am not saying it was not quality just not as bad ass as before. I would rather be selling out than not filling up, then folks will be ready to pre register and secure a spot! Telling all their friends Just my opinion as it is.

[cfluty]

I liked last year better.this year the courses were fair but. I personally like the regular courses, and did we really get done any sooner? Maybe a little Saturday but sunday would be no different. I also understand the want for more people but there is fine line that has to be decided upon. What is the cost of trying to squeez in more people. Being big or even huge is one thing but if quality starts to slip then what's the point. I am not saying it was not quality just not as bad ass as before. I would rather be selling out than not filling up, then folks will be ready to pre register and secure a spot! Telling all their friends Just my opinion as it is.

You may be one of the rare ones who think this, I fully enjoyed the format, I wasn't dead tired on sunday like I have been in the past, both east and west courses were fun, east had some holes where placement was key. The "monster" course should be more of a monster, it played tough, but not like I was thinking it would. Hole 1 needs to be on the island, hole 5 should have been deep, hole 6 should have had a different placement the first day on west. I just think for it to be called a monster it needed long pads to long placements. Then again only 3 people went underpar on it so that's saying something. Hole 8 is a true par 4, and should be scored accordingly.

[Ruder]

I really enjoyed the format as well and was very pleased with how the new temporary holes played, especially on the east course. The west course will benefit from a bit of tweaking but it also had some good holes.

I specifically remember last year being so tired after the rounds on Saturday that we ate pizza, it got dark very soon after, then we left and called it an early night. The year before I believe we had the party at the bowling alley and not many showed because they were too tired after cleaning up. This year, we got done, and still had energy to play the Buffalo Chip, which was a blast, and also just chum around with all the KDGA family.

I do think hole 1 would've been better on the island. I'm not sure if it makes a difference how hole 8 is scored, although I always tell the locals its scored as a par for, so I guess I'm a liar.

Convers had some good points, maybe he'll pop on and share.

[smitty]

The small island on hole 1 wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem this year was that I didn't even know that pin existed. When I sent the hole by hole OB paper to the people in the "know" only a few changes were made. None of which had anything to do with hole 1. Then 5 minutes before the start of the round, people want to move it.

That hole would have been played 1000 different rules if that was the case. Is a hit and out good? Do you have to land on the island? Where is the drop zone? How is the drop zone played?

I do think the East course played much harder then the west. I also think the west has a ton less property to use.

I think the split was a fun way to do it. We were done a ton earlier then if we would have done 2 X 24. I know that I didn't have hardly any waits on any holes on Saturday and waited on every hole on Sunday. Sometimes we didn't wait as long as we should have. I don't know if the split had much to do with the lack of turnout. I like to think that we were the 30 people short that came from Colorado last year.

If you have any specific tweaks, please make not of hole and tweak.

For example.
Hole 5 during the monster round.
-Maybe should have played to the long pin.

Hole 12 on the monster course
-Should have played from the alt. tee to the pin along the bypass.
-This would have sped up play for people throwing on 11. There would be no way to hit the people on 13's tee.


Please do list your changes so I can compile a list and make the changes that will make it better next year.

[Boomer9time]

TWEAKS - Stay with me on this one.

West and EAST become northwest and south east. Turn the dike into the divider not main street, This will give west more room and some tougher holes. It will cut back on the back and fourth walking as well. - so follow along with a map.

4,(didn't play), 5 and 6 east become northwest.
NORTHWEST COURSE: the same through hole 12, 13 (didnt' play 4), 14 by ball park, 15 back around tennis courts to main. 16 - 18 same.

13,14,15 west becoma part of southeast.

SOUTHEAST COURSE: 1 (monster 15), 2 (classic over water and walk), 3 (14 west), 4 (15 west), 5-10 (same as 7-12), 11 add hole after island big hyzer tight to the trees to basket on dike that is used on monster 10, Holes 12 - 18 same as the layout this weekend.

MONSTER : A,B,C, 1 from orignal tee (less interference with 3), 2, 3, 4, 5 long, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 (other tee), 13, 14 move pin to location across the water by walking bridge -(Tough hole), 15 - Play number 2 from east, 16, 17, and 18.

[smitty]

Boomer-

You may be on to something. I will need to look at a map and do some thinking to make since of it all, but I do see how it could even out the number of long holes on each course.


I need you to break it down for me.

Buffalo Course
A-6


Island Course
15


Use the original hole numbers or description.
Island hole, around tennis courts, armory (hole we didn't play)

WE WILL NOT PLAY THE SHORT HOLE BY LARKS PARK EVER AGAIN!!!

[pironix]

WE WILL NOT PLAY THE SHORT HOLE BY LARKS PARK EVER AGAIN!!!

Why is that?

Something to keep in mind... the block party shared the same weekend we did last year as well, it wasn't a problem since we didn't use that part of the park....

I've got no idea if they intend to keep the same weekend in the future or not but use of that area may not be available.

[smitty]

WE WILL NOT PLAY THE SHORT HOLE BY LARKS PARK EVER AGAIN!!!

Why is that?

Because that baseball field will probably always have a game of some kind going on. I figured college baseball was a spring thing. Fall is for football.

[Ruder]

The small island on hole 1 wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem this year was that I didn't even know that pin existed. When I sent the hole by hole OB paper to the people in the "know" only a few changes were made. None of which had anything to do with hole 1. Then 5 minutes before the start of the round, people want to move it.

I feel like that was directed towards me. Although "this" was sent along with an excel file stating hole one AA (C) on Aug 26th. Not to mention on Friday I mentioned it and was told that hole was not as good.

The monster course is pretty much all of our C pin settings, as most of them are much longer than all other placements. I put in the spreadsheet the holes that have been played the last 2 years, save for like hole 8.

I'm not sure if you know of all the placements for C pins, just let me know if you dont.

[smitty]

The small island on hole 1 wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem this year was that I didn't even know that pin existed. When I sent the hole by hole OB paper to the people in the "know" only a few changes were made. None of which had anything to do with hole 1. Then 5 minutes before the start of the round, people want to move it.

I feel like that was directed towards me. Although "this" was sent along with an excel file stating hole one AA (C) on Aug 26th. Not to mention on Friday I mentioned it and was told that hole was not as good.

The monster course is pretty much all of our C pin settings, as most of them are much longer than all other placements. I put in the spreadsheet the holes that have been played the last 2 years, save for like hole 8.

I'm not sure if you know of all the placements for C pins, just let me know if you dont.

Not at all. I sent it to Scotty and figured he shared it with others at league. It also went out to Rusco and Sweets.

I personally don't like it but would have played either. If we are going to play it next year. We need to have very exact hole rules figured out before hand.


Not directed towards you at all Ruder.

[kselrod]

WE WILL NOT PLAY THE SHORT HOLE BY LARKS PARK EVER AGAIN!!!

Why is that?

Because that baseball field will probably always have a game of some kind going on. I figured college baseball was a spring thing. Fall is for football.

What is the issue involving the baseball game? It looked like an intra-squad scrimmage anyway because there wasn't even any umpires on the field??

Just curious...

[Rusco]

The basket was getting ready to be moved Sunday morning on hole 1 but I quickly vetoed the decision. I specifically recall that there were issues the last two years on that hole about how to play the different OB possibilities. We didn't make any indication that hole 1 was being played to the long pin and didn't account for in the rules/map sheet. Each card would have played the OB differently so keeping it set up in the 'middle' island seemed to be the best possibility. I personally enjoy the long setting but missed that in the planning stage of the event, map preparation, and distance layout. All of these things will be addressed for next year.

I also want to chime in about enjoying the new layout. Sure, two rounds of 24 on Saturday is great if you want to spend 9 hours of the day playing and the rest of the night being worn out. Had the "Buffalo Chip" not been available and no 'player party' then I might change my mind on enjoying the 36 hole layout. The speedy golf on Saturday and lots of hangout time in the evening made for a great event IMO. I felt like the 4.5 hour round on Sunday was a great way to end my weekend. The more feedback that we receive regarding this the better so please post on here or email [email protected].