X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

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X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby PETRIE » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:22 pm

Okay, I've been wondering what exactly are disc golf X-OUT's and FACTORY SECONDS?

The factory miss-prints seem pretty self explanatory. The disc is fine, the stamp is not.
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But the FACTORY SECONDS are clearly not stamp issues, because they've actually stamped them as FACTORY SECONDS.
So, what exactly is wrong with these discs?
    1. A few bubbles in the plastic? (I could see that making them unbalanced/lopsided)
    2. Are they going to fly like a disc with the same name that's not a FACTORY SECOND?
    3. Heck, are they going to fly at all?
    4. Or should they just be used with your dog and get chewed up?

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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby PETRIE » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:24 pm

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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby Zach_Keys » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:38 pm

I have a Star Valkyrie and a Champion Max in my disc bag. And also various other X Out discs in my "Tub" of discs.

A number of things could happen to be a X Out or Factory second. One is bubbles. Yes you can have a bubble or two but you aren't affecting the flight of the disc.
I took a Regular Star Valkyrie and a X Out Valkyrie and they flew the same. Some have different plastic specks in it from the previous molding process.
Now if the disc has a warped flight plate, then it may or may not be the same ol' disc you came to love.

If your on a fixed budget and can't get the latest and greatest try buying a few x outs. If you do in fact like that disc you can by some regulars. Discraft also has the same deal. but they are called factory misprints. Not sure where to get those. I usually get my X Out's from Discgolfvalues.com.
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby _dm4 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:36 am

I have bought some "misprints" from Discraft (you can get them on their site). They are factory seconds like you mentioned above for X outs. Discraft puts a mini misprint stamp on the bottom. It has no color so sometimes they are hard to see. With Discraft, you never know what you are going to get. My first ever order (several years ago), I actually got 7 first run Z Buzzz'!!!! 8) I still have a couple of them left and they are sweet! The hot stamps had some very slight problems, that's it! Of course, now you would get what they are currently running.

I think Xouts/misprints are a great buy! Sometimes they are not the same, but can be better (if you like the way they fly), and are for sure cheaper! If you need practice discs or are on a budget, I say use them!

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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby Zach_Keys » Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:10 pm

I've heard from multiple people that X Outs are and aren't allowed in tourneys. Is this true?
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby mrsenortyler » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:42 pm

They're fine to use in tournaments. I think this used to be in the rules Q&A on PDGA website, but don't know where to find it now.
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby _dm4 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:15 am

mrsenortyler wrote:They're fine to use in tournaments. I think this used to be in the rules Q&A on PDGA website, but don't know where to find it now.



Yep, in the Q and A section on the rules page...

2006.34 : Remaindered discs
Question - Are remaindered discs (for example: Xed out discs, factory seconds, or hot stamping rejects) of PDGA-approved models legal for use in PDGA competitions?
Response - Applicable Rules: 802.01
Conclusion - Since these discs were produced from the molds for PDGA-approved models, they have already been indirectly approved by the PDGA Technical Standards Committee, and as such they are legal for PDGA play, as long as they meet the overall restrictions (weight, rim sharpness, flexibility, etc) as outlined by the PDGA Technical Standards document.
The committee understands that many of these discs may have slight molding imperfections but it is our opinion that they still perform essentially the same as other production discs and they meet the standards under which their original models were tested.
Players always have the right (per 802.01 D) to question the legality of a disc used in competition. In such cases the Tournament Director will make the final call.

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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby PETRIE » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:13 pm

Thanks. That's the sort of information I was looking for. I especially like them because I like doing my own custom dyes at home so i look for the factory rejects that barely have any stamp on them . . . there's less that I have to remove.

Now that I'm thinking about it, is there any place you can buy discs that don't have stamps on them AND aren't factory seconds?
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby Zach_Keys » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:46 pm

Not that i'm aware of. Btw how do you dye your discs?
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby mrsenortyler » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:35 am

Innova makes some discs with the "bottom stamp" so they have a nude top. It is VERY rare to find innova discs that don't have any stamp, although they pop up on ebay now and then.

Star Destroyer
Dx Valk
Dx Roc
DX Aviar

maybe a few other models?

I know Rusco has some bottom stamped Buzzz's from D-craft. I have also seen a few Discraft discs with no stamp, but they were mostly small runs. Rusco also had those.
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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby Lucky4ever247 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:59 am

I've owned a few and you can add a DX Banshee to the list of bottom stamps.

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Re: X OUT's & FACTORY SECONDS - What exactly are they?

Postby PETRIE » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:14 pm

I use good ol' Rit Dye mixed with nail polish remover (with acetone) to dye discs.

I use Con-Tact paper to do the masking. (1) Trace the pattern on to the contact paper, (2) stick the Con-Tact paper on the disc, (3) cut out the pattern with an Exacto type knife, (4) remove the contact paper on the areas that you want to dye.

YES, dying discs this way is time consuming and can create a HUGE mess if you are not careful . . so it may not be for everyone.

All of these items can be found at your local Wal-Mart for a couple bucks.

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