Little Apple Open Manhattan, KS May 16, 2009 PDGA C-tier

[PETRIE]

I'd like to take credit for helping move the baskets between rounds, however I can't.

I was pretty much setting on my rump eating & drinking, then a little putting practice. Thad might have had help, but I was not one of them. So to those of you who helped Thad, Thanks... and of course thanks to Thad too.

Next time I'll jump in and help move baskets.

[smitty]

ratings for both rounds seem a bit screwed up. One thing that gets my head scratching is I can not think of a time when I have seen a stroke worth more than 10 ratings points.

You are correct Kevin, they are probably screwed up. I have also never seen a stroke worth more then 10 points. The fact that there were so many players with no rating could have something to do with it?

I do know this. We played a different course the second round. SNG you need to go into the TD report and make sure that it is listed as all playing A layout the first round and all playing the B layout the second round.

The second course played much easier. Holes 2, 8, 10, 17 were all birdied more the second round I guarantee it! With that in mind, the rating may actually be to high for the second round!

[mrsenortyler]

The layouts are listed as A and B, or else the first and second round ratings would be the same.

I will double check that it's right though. Also, these ratings are unofficial. I have seen my rating on a round jump 20 points when it officially got processed.

I can always ask Chuck on the "Ask Chuck About Ratings" Thread on the PDGA board too.

[smitty]

Looked back at some of my old results. We played a tourney in Great Bend a few years ago, and a stroke was worth 13 rating points.

The first round was 10 points/stroke. The second much easier round was 11 points/stroke.

[Schoen-hopper]

Just going off of memory of Chuck's rating discussions. Someone could dig up some tourney results and SSA's to prove/disprove this.

A course with an SSA (Scratch or 1000 rated scoring average) around 51 has about 10 points different per stroke in the tourney results. The hardest courses like USDGC, may go down to as little as 6 points per stroke. Super easy courses could be as many as 14-15 points different per stroke.

Looks like the SSA for this course (tourney configs) will be about 50.5 for the first round and 48 for the second. 10 points difference first round, 11 different 2nd round, seems just about right. Don't know how these could be screwed up. Usually, the round ratings get messed up temporarily when 2 different courses are used concurrently.

[mrsenortyler]

The NT this weekend during the last round, a stroke was worth 6 rating points too.

I think the thing with these ratings was that so many 940-960 rated players shot low 50's and high 40's. So when a 1000 rated pro (Babbit) shoots the same as them, his rating gets pulled down. I think out of 69 players, only 29 are PDGA, and they may not have all been 'gators.

I tried changing the Par of the course to 55, since #7 is a par 4. That didn't change the ratings, just the relation of scores to par.

[KevinBabbit]

In the scheme of things a 965 is probably at least in the neighborhood of being correct. Going through each hole made wince at how tough a time I had. I am drooling for another shot at that course. Thanks again to the Super Nice Guys for putting on a great tournament.

[guroose]

Many thanks for putting this together! My son & I had a great time, but had to duck out before getting a chance to go through the plastic. I've been on the lookout for an Avenger SS and noticed you had some earlier. Just wondering what kind of inventory you had left and how we can buy some if they're available.

[mrsenortyler]

I have some ESP Avenger SS in Yellow and Greenish/Blue.

I have 1 ESP FLX Avenger SS in Greenish/Blue

I also have a few Z Avenger SS 1 in green with purple stamp, and a few blue ones.

I could probably set you up with some at $12 a piece. Shipping depends on how many you would like, but I can ship up to 5 discs for around $8 i think. One disc $2 shipping.

I take many forms of payment, Check, Money order, paypal...Let me know if you are interested.

I have a few meteors left as well, they are great approach discs, very good for low power shots, and turnover shots.

[mrsenortyler]

Hey Rick,

I am now done with the scorecards if you would like me to send them to you. Just let me know who's card you need, and where to send them.

Thanks!

Chris

[PETRIE]

Chris,

Thanks for the offer, I'll take you up on it too. I'll send you an e-mail with the details.

Now if I could just get someone to send my lost disc back to me ... (LOL).

Rick

[PETRIE]

Here's a few pics from the tourney. Sorry they're not the greatest pics, but photography wasn't exactly my highest priority Saturday.

[smitty]

Chris Smith 19983 1001 48 1023 45 1029 -17 93 $200
2 Kevin Tulp 55 953 46 1017 -9 101 $100
2 Leo Deprato 22135 979 52 983 49 983 -9 101 $100
2 Kevin Babbit 11110 1016 50 1003 51 960 -9 101 $100
5 Arturo Villareal 23183 1001 57 933 47 1006 -6 104 $30
5 Crispin Carrasco 33698 981 54 963 50 972 -6 104 $30
7 Bobby Villareal 23184 983 56 943 49 983 -5 105
8 Adam Hunt 34237 976 54 963 52 949 -4 106
9 Shan Mann 18014 922 57 933 52 949 -1 109
10 Kevin Kaiser 16159 933 58 923 52 949 E 110
Masters Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Ron Klein 6950 919 56 943 54 926 E 110
2 Jeff Owlsley 5487 930 57 933 53 937 E 110 $70
2 Toe Joe 53 973 57 891 E 110 $70
4 Tom Vierthaler 28627 917 58 923 53 937 +1 111
5 Tom Osborne 61 893 58 880 +9 119
Grandmasters Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Harvey Barger 4410 942 55 953 52 949 -3 107 $135
2 Dave Richardson 4732 943 58 923 56 903 +4 114
3 Buddy Kassner 4319 899 59 913 59 869 +8 118
Advanced Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Shane Crisler 39729 52 983 52 949 -6 104 $90
2 Ben Wiggins 38040 954 56 943 48 994 -6 104 $60
3 Bo Carrasco 35980 925 57 933 49 983 -4 106 $50
4 Chris Jones 54 963 54 926 -2 108 $40
5 Andy Lyne 34861 944 58 923 51 960 -1 109 $30
6 Phil Schmidt 56 943 54 926 E 110
7 Chris Hayes 56 943 55 914 +1 111
8 Jeff Foltz 58 923 59 869 +7 117
9 Jake Trochelman 61 893 60 857 +11 121
10 Brandon Mace 10898 866 62 883 61 846 +13 123
Advanced Masters Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Thad Pultz 58 923 59 869 +7 117 $90
2 Tom Thompson 24927 873 59 913 60 857 +9 119
3 John Helle 66 842 62 834 +18 128

Intermediate Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Phil Jackson 54 963 59 869 +3 113 $90
2 Neil Killian 37047 876 58 923 57 891 +5 115 $55
2 Anthony Pfeifer 57 933 58 880 +5 115 $70
4 Tom Oldfather 57 933 59 869 +6 116 $50
5 Josh Case 61 893 56 903 +7 117 $35
5 Bob Hardister 32322 862 61 893 56 903 +7 117 $40
7 Kevin Clouse 64 863 55 914 +9 119 $30
8 Jeremy Kindy 35843 839 61 893 60 857 +11 121 $25
9 Cass Cup 36991 874 62 883 60 857 +12 122 $20
10 Matt Hyman 64 863 61 846 +15 125
11 Chris Tyler 25457 869 64 863 62 834 +16 126
12 Casey Jones 67 832 60 857 +17 127
13 Billy Cabral 63 873 67 777 +20 130
14 Chris Nechols 68 822 64 811 +22 132
14 Brian Nechols 66 842 66 788 +22 132
16 Otto Bieber 70 802 64 811 +24 134
16 Matt McRoberts 69 812 65 800 +24 134
18 Ross Jones 73 772 67 777 +30 140
Recreational Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Jayden Duckworth 68 822 62 834 +20 130 $90
2 Jake Trimbath 67 832 64 811 +21 131 $70
3 Anthony Halling 70 802 64 811 +24 134 $55
3 Rick Petrie 69 812 65 800 +24 134 $55
5 Mark Kewley 37585 771 70 802 65 800 +25 135 $40
5 Jerry Powell 68 822 67 777 +25 135 $40
5 Aaron Warnke 67 832 68 766 +25 135 $40
5 Jason Kewley 65 852 70 743 +25 135 $40
9 Ryan Stapp 72 782 65 800 +27 137 $15
9 Bill Baugh 71 792 66 788 +27 137 $15
11 Cam Moeller 74 762 65 800 +29 139
11 Neil Jacobson 69 812 70 743 +29 139
13 Patrick Belardo 72 782 68 766 +30 140
14 Tyson Jones 39297 773 75 752 66 788 +31 141
15 Tony Blair 67 832 76 674 +33 143
16 John Danley 72 782 74 697 +36 146
16 Matt Mullins 71 792 75 685 +36 146
18 Chris Mullins 74 762 74 697 +38 148
Junior < 19 Boys Hide Round Ratings
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 To Par Total Prize
1 Robert Danley

[Schoen-hopper]

Add Bill Baugh & Jerry Powell.

I'll think I'll have some time for points tomorrow night. The Olds is rolling.

[mrsenortyler]

I think Billy Cabral is a KDGA member?