You make the call #1

[jsher]

OK, I see your point. And it occured to me that the last place the disc was seen at that point would be where it lay. Stupid me just figured the group would play it as such.

Jer

[McCabe]

If it is discovered, prior to the completion of the tournament, that a player's disc that was declared lost had been removed or taken, then the player shall have the penalty throw for the lost disc subtracted from his or her score.

[smitty]

According to the rule, the person would take 1 penalty stroke and throw from where the disc lies.


Eric the disc had not been taken. The group found it in the tall grass.

[jsher]

P.S. as an official that would be my call if the group could not reach a majority decision or their call was protested by the player whose disc was declared lost. Still, the rule book does not specify that it must be played where it was subsequently found after the three minutes was up but before placement was established. One would have to be careful with this because if the player who lost the disc discretely found it and then dropped it at a better lie (and this could happen) and someone in the group was positive that it had not been there earlier a real controversy could arise. Barring pictures being taken this would be a thorny call to unravel. I would happily not want to make an official call.

[McCabe]

Oh..the tall grass is OB!

[jsher]

Smitty,

I respectfully disagree. The rule says nothing about the disc being located later and before the player has thrown his last shot. With the official ruling that a disc is lost the subsequent lie is only as relevent as the players and or official would agree too

Jer

[smitty]

Conclusion:

A disc is officially lost at the end of the three-minute search, and a penalty throw is assessed. If it is found after that, then the lie is placed where the disc was found. If it's not found, the lie is placed where the disc was last seen.

Yours Sincerely;
The PDGA Rules Committee
Dr. Rick Voakes
Harold Duvall
Joe Garcia
Mark Ellis
Conrad Damon
Carlton Howard


These guys might know the rule?

I would be one mad dude. If your disc is in the crap, you are probably not going to make a good upshot out. You would be getting penalized twice as far as I am concerned.

[jsher]

These guys need to seriously clarify the rules then ... because that is not the way it is written in the latest edition. Not that I totaly disagree with the result they would get .... just don't agree that the rules specify the result as they say. They may write them .... they may understand their intent in writing them .... but the rules as written do not say that. Great fun smitty ... lets try this again.

Jer

[Schoen-hopper]

Yeah, this seems like an easy one to me. Where it was last seen? Pretty simple if you can see it! Point is... tell everyone to stop looking after 3 minutes.



Now, what if you see the disc go into the trees but cant find it? 9 out of 10 people are going to give theirselves a shot from the edge instead of correctly playing it from deep in the trees. Maybe the thrower can try to distract the other players (right after the shot) if he knows he has made a bad throw.

Conclusion... this is a BAD RULE!! It can't be enforced. No one can really agree where it was last seen (different viewing angles, etc.) so the player will get a better lie than he should if he had interpreted this rule literally.

Solution... play lost discs from the previous lie with a one stroke penalty. This is much more fair in that it is not loosely interpreted and can be enforced with universal fairness. Might run into a few problem with unmarked previous lies, but a group decision on this would be a lot easier than where a disc was last seen. I heard that this was a plan for future ruling on lost discs, but I hear so much stuff on the PDGA forum that I don't know what to believe.

[Anita]

If you find the disc after it is declared lost, but before anyone can decide where to spot it, I'd say.... uh, play from the where you found the disc. It's not a bad rule.

Ask me the questions bridge keeper. I'm not afraid.

[_dm4]

or as long as an official is not in the group. As an official in a PDGA event the official is bound by his honor and commitment to make the call. Failure to do so could result in the official loosing his credentials and the tournament loosing its sanction and therefore the points for the players who played by the rules.

A PDGA Official cannot make a ruling in his own group, except as a member of the group, in other words, his vote counts just like the rest, but that is it! A PDGA Official can only officiate in another division in a tourney he is playing in, and not his own division.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[jsher]

An official participating in tournament play may not "officiate" within his own division, whether a member of the group or not. In his group, if it is made up entirely of other's in his division then his vote counts just like any other. You'll have to pardon me because on this one I flashed back to the first day of the Dah when we were in mixed groups and I was in the very uncomfortable postion of both player and official within the group. For that reason alone I will never send out groups with mixed divisions should I ever TD an event.

Thanks for the correction

Jer

[Notorious ROG]

This seems to be a double penalty, especially if you are deep in the junk! The benefit should always go to the player!

[Leo D.]

This seems to be a double penalty, especially if you are deep in the junk! The benefit should always go to the player!

Unless your on a card full of Okies!!!