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New idea for the site
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discgolfer_1999
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Okay do we want this to be exactly like the PDGA course directory as far as information or more like the PGA course directory an example of one of their courses is
http://www.guidetogolf.net/course.asp?course=85
with google mapping?
Or something more simplistic.
and Otis...QUIT HIJACKING THREADS!!!!!!!
http://www.guidetogolf.net/course.asp?course=85
with google mapping?
Or something more simplistic.
and Otis...QUIT HIJACKING THREADS!!!!!!!
Jason
"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. - Sun Tzu"
"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. - Sun Tzu"
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Schoen-hopper
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I agree. The Nebraska site is more informative then the course directory or the course evaluation program.
Here's a few suggestions for something we could put together. Most of this stuff is described pretty well by the nebdisc course link.
In my opinion, we could make something both more concise and more helpfully informative than the course evaluation program. While they have some good info, it leaves out some of the most important things involving course description and the good info it does have is too difficult to interpret.
1) A large map that shows all the courses (city and course name). The map could include major highways and large cities in neighboring states.
2) Make a list of the courses and a link on each for course details.
3) Important would be GOOD directions all the way to hole #1. List any problems for accesibility.
4) Course Description. This is something simple that can go a long way. Depends a lot on the imagination of the writer.
5) Pitures. I wouldn't go crazy and take 5 pictures along each fairway (This was a rather neat way I view San Saba and many other courses thanks to cntxdglove.com). A few scenic pictures does a lot though.
6) Map. Any labelled arial photo or existing course map.
7) Designer, contact, and website information.
8 ) Other general information...
Tee type
Basket type
Tee indicator type
Course design quality
Natural Beauty
Newcomer friendly... time to play?, how hard to navigate?, how much rough is there?
Drinkable water / restrooms?
9) Technical information...
This is some of the info I like the most. Some of it takes a bit of work to acquire though.
*Scratch Scoring Average for each regular course config. This is probably the most important info about a course. This can be done without playing a PDGA tourney. Here's a spreadsheet that can do wonders with scores.
http://pdga.com/competition/ratings/CalcWCPtemp200.xls
This would be perfect for league scores or even better, KDGA events.
*Hole Scoring Averages. From the same spreadsheet, you can see a method for aquiring HSA's and establishing in a uniform method, course par and hole pars. There are other tools available also, if not enough PDGA rated players are available to set SSA's and such for a given course.
While hole scoring averages and more importantly, hole pars would be very interesting to see posted at courses, this would be a bonus to have on a website and not a necessity.
*Course Length for different regular configurations. Regular configurations should be short tees to short pins, short to long, long to short, and long to long. They shouldn't be half-long tees to half-long pins. While this is cool for courses like Herman Hill, it doesn't conform to the system the PDGA is trying to put in place with the tee pads of different skill.
*Course Difficulty. The SSA is comprised of 2 factors: length and difficulty. If you know the SSA and course length, you can find the difficulty (or challenge factor, or foliage/OB factor). Chuck Kennedy's simple formula has proven it's worth. It is...
Scrath Scoring Average (for 1000 rated player) = 30 + (course length in feet divided by the challenge factor).
If you had a course with SSA 54 and 6000 feet, you could solve to find the challenge factor is 250. The significance of the challenge factor is that it gives an idea of how many trees come into play. It also doubles as a rough estimate of the average driving distance for the course. Another neat thing about this formula is that once you know your challenge factor, you can compute different lengths for different pin combinations to estimate the SSA without even having to play.
*Tees. How many on each individual hole? Are these tees designed with a PDGA skill level in mind? These skill levels equate to ball golf colors... Gold = hole par designed for 1000 rated player. Blue=950, White=900, Red=850.
*Pins. How many on each individual hole?
*Hole distance. Combinations of tee/pins listed for individual holes. This might be a good place to include hole scoring averages and hole pars.
*Hole description. If you really want to do this up grand, you could have all holes, #'s 1-18, with a link to the above hole information. Also good would be a short description of the hole with perhaps a picture from the tee. Give the hole a name or something creative like that to make it more fun.
If anyone else is interested in including this, I'd certainly help in rounding up the statistical / technical information. It'd be interesting if nothing else.
Looking back, this looks to be a good base for any state to put together an extreemely informative site for its courses. As you have seen with Nebdisc, there is always other cool stuff you could throw in as well. Also, you wouldn't have to have all the information for all the courses. Some courses might be too simple or remote to list information about in detail. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get to be listed for the basics, though.
Here's a few suggestions for something we could put together. Most of this stuff is described pretty well by the nebdisc course link.
In my opinion, we could make something both more concise and more helpfully informative than the course evaluation program. While they have some good info, it leaves out some of the most important things involving course description and the good info it does have is too difficult to interpret.
1) A large map that shows all the courses (city and course name). The map could include major highways and large cities in neighboring states.
2) Make a list of the courses and a link on each for course details.
3) Important would be GOOD directions all the way to hole #1. List any problems for accesibility.
4) Course Description. This is something simple that can go a long way. Depends a lot on the imagination of the writer.
5) Pitures. I wouldn't go crazy and take 5 pictures along each fairway (This was a rather neat way I view San Saba and many other courses thanks to cntxdglove.com). A few scenic pictures does a lot though.
6) Map. Any labelled arial photo or existing course map.
7) Designer, contact, and website information.
8 ) Other general information...
Tee type
Basket type
Tee indicator type
Course design quality
Natural Beauty
Newcomer friendly... time to play?, how hard to navigate?, how much rough is there?
Drinkable water / restrooms?
9) Technical information...
This is some of the info I like the most. Some of it takes a bit of work to acquire though.
*Scratch Scoring Average for each regular course config. This is probably the most important info about a course. This can be done without playing a PDGA tourney. Here's a spreadsheet that can do wonders with scores.
http://pdga.com/competition/ratings/CalcWCPtemp200.xls
This would be perfect for league scores or even better, KDGA events.
*Hole Scoring Averages. From the same spreadsheet, you can see a method for aquiring HSA's and establishing in a uniform method, course par and hole pars. There are other tools available also, if not enough PDGA rated players are available to set SSA's and such for a given course.
While hole scoring averages and more importantly, hole pars would be very interesting to see posted at courses, this would be a bonus to have on a website and not a necessity.
*Course Length for different regular configurations. Regular configurations should be short tees to short pins, short to long, long to short, and long to long. They shouldn't be half-long tees to half-long pins. While this is cool for courses like Herman Hill, it doesn't conform to the system the PDGA is trying to put in place with the tee pads of different skill.
*Course Difficulty. The SSA is comprised of 2 factors: length and difficulty. If you know the SSA and course length, you can find the difficulty (or challenge factor, or foliage/OB factor). Chuck Kennedy's simple formula has proven it's worth. It is...
Scrath Scoring Average (for 1000 rated player) = 30 + (course length in feet divided by the challenge factor).
If you had a course with SSA 54 and 6000 feet, you could solve to find the challenge factor is 250. The significance of the challenge factor is that it gives an idea of how many trees come into play. It also doubles as a rough estimate of the average driving distance for the course. Another neat thing about this formula is that once you know your challenge factor, you can compute different lengths for different pin combinations to estimate the SSA without even having to play.
*Tees. How many on each individual hole? Are these tees designed with a PDGA skill level in mind? These skill levels equate to ball golf colors... Gold = hole par designed for 1000 rated player. Blue=950, White=900, Red=850.
*Pins. How many on each individual hole?
*Hole distance. Combinations of tee/pins listed for individual holes. This might be a good place to include hole scoring averages and hole pars.
*Hole description. If you really want to do this up grand, you could have all holes, #'s 1-18, with a link to the above hole information. Also good would be a short description of the hole with perhaps a picture from the tee. Give the hole a name or something creative like that to make it more fun.
If anyone else is interested in including this, I'd certainly help in rounding up the statistical / technical information. It'd be interesting if nothing else.
Looking back, this looks to be a good base for any state to put together an extreemely informative site for its courses. As you have seen with Nebdisc, there is always other cool stuff you could throw in as well. Also, you wouldn't have to have all the information for all the courses. Some courses might be too simple or remote to list information about in detail. That doesn't mean they shouldn't get to be listed for the basics, though.
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Schoen-hopper
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- Joined: Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:58 pm
That's a good idea to make sure our course directory is up to date.
What would be good there?
Seems that it's pretty concrete as to what information we can include. They only have a few categories.
I'd say the most important part to ensure the accuracy of would be the course directions and the contacts listed. Bad directions are frustrating.
The part of the directory that is wrong most often is the course length and hole lengths. If a course has multiple tees and pins, I'd usually go with the long-long configuration for posting.
If you wanted to update anything else, such as the course description, I'd just tell the contact whenever you call them to make sure the number listed is correct.
There is a link at the bottom for course messages at discgolf.com. While this is a good idea, nobody is using it. Better would be a link to a KDGA course information site!
Maybe we could use this year on the OZ TOUR to gather information to be put together for an information site beginning next year?
What would be good there?
Seems that it's pretty concrete as to what information we can include. They only have a few categories.
I'd say the most important part to ensure the accuracy of would be the course directions and the contacts listed. Bad directions are frustrating.
The part of the directory that is wrong most often is the course length and hole lengths. If a course has multiple tees and pins, I'd usually go with the long-long configuration for posting.
If you wanted to update anything else, such as the course description, I'd just tell the contact whenever you call them to make sure the number listed is correct.
There is a link at the bottom for course messages at discgolf.com. While this is a good idea, nobody is using it. Better would be a link to a KDGA course information site!
Maybe we could use this year on the OZ TOUR to gather information to be put together for an information site beginning next year?
Most important (at least to me) is that every course no matter how little, is listed in KS. Driving directions are good but, most of the towns really aren't that big and pointing people in the right direction will probably get the job done. All of the other information is great and should be added if possible. I agree with the suggestions that hopper has given, but if they aren't possible at least a general description would be nice.
I have been worlking on an idea, take a look at http://www.discgolfweb.com and tell me if something like this would be what you guys are looking for. I will put a short desc and some general information in the popups and a link to a page with all of the information about the site as well as allowing other players to rate and comment on courses.
Jason
"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. - Sun Tzu"
"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. - Sun Tzu"
