Stats for Indian Rock Park

[Schoen-hopper]

I figured up the SSA's and round ratings for the Salina Open 2007. I've got an excel file that makes quick work of this. If anyone wants to use this, its on the PDGA site or I can send it to you.

I used 22 propigators with pdga ratings with at least an 800 rating and at least 8 rated rounds.

SSA = Scratch Scoring Average. This is what a 1000 rated golfer would shoot if he's playing 1000 rated golf.

The wind was steady the entire tournament except it died down just a bit that final round. The baskets were moved on holes 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11, 13, & 16. Those were fairly equal in difficulty the first 3 rounds, but were easier the last round.

Round 1 SSA: 57.7

Round 2 SSA: 55.8

Round 3 SSA: 56.5

Round 4 SSA: 53.6

Overall SSA: 55.9

[Schoen-hopper]

I copied this from the file. The "local player rating" shows the equivalent of a "round rating". This system can also be used locally for calculating player ratings for non-PDGA member players.

The first number is the round score. The second is the hole score average. The third is the round rating. The fourth is the player rating.


Round 1

Chris Smith 58 3.222 997 1014
Randy Brown 59 3.278 989 981
Don Mordecai 61 3.389 972 937
Nate Martin 60 3.333 980 966
Kevin Kaiser 59 3.278 989 952
Michael Schoenhofer 64 3.556 947 950
Kyle Klinger 70 3.889 896 950
Shan Mann 62 3.444 963 948
Randy Mattingly 60 3.333 980 941
Austin Streit 65 3.611 938 920
Brett Straight 62 3.444 963 917
Billie Cabral 71 3.944 888 914
Tom Vierthaler 70 3.889 896 913
Tyler Smith 70 3.889 896 900
Patt Hall 74 4.111 863 899
Kevin Lambdin 65 3.611 938 895
Tom Osborn 66 3.667 930 890
Tom Thompson 75 4.167 854 857
Kevin Brown 77 4.278 838 830
Marco Moore 76 4.222 846 821
Jason Adkins 77 4.278 838 808
Robin Reimer 73 4.056 871 868

[Schoen-hopper]

Round 2

Chris Smith 54 3.000 1016 1014
Randy Brown 54 3.000 1016 981
Don Mordecai 64 3.556 928 937
Nate Martin 62 3.444 946 966
Kevin Kaiser 62 3.444 946 952
Michael Schoenhofer 58 3.222 981 950
Kyle Klinger 65 3.611 919 950
Shan Mann 57 3.167 990 948
Randy Mattingly 64 3.556 928 941
Austin Streit 55 3.056 1007 920
Brett Straight 65 3.611 919 917
Billie Cabral 68 3.778 893 914
Tom Vierthaler 66 3.667 911 913
Tyler Smith 60 3.333 963 900
Patt Hall 71 3.944 867 899
Kevin Lambdin 73 4.056 849 895
Tom Osborn 64 3.556 928 890
Tom Thompson 70 3.889 875 857
Kevin Brown 71 3.944 867 830
Marco Moore 78 4.333 805 821
Jason Adkins 73 4.056 849 808
Robin Reimer 70 3.889 875 868

[Schoen-hopper]

Round 3

Chris Smith 53 2.944 1030 1014
Randy Brown 61 3.389 961 981
Don Mordecai 62 3.444 952 937
Nate Martin 62 3.444 952 966
Kevin Kaiser 61 3.389 961 952
Michael Schoenhofer 58 3.222 987 950
Kyle Klinger 67 3.722 909 950
Shan Mann 64 3.556 935 948
Randy Mattingly 66 3.667 917 941
Austin Streit 65 3.611 926 920
Brett Straight 64 3.556 935 917
Billie Cabral 68 3.778 900 914
Tom Vierthaler 62 3.444 952 913
Tyler Smith 68 3.778 900 900
Patt Hall 64 3.556 935 899
Kevin Lambdin 63 3.500 943 895
Tom Osborn 71 3.944 874 890
Tom Thompson 75 4.167 840 857
Kevin Brown 72 4.000 866 830
Marco Moore 76 4.222 831 821
Jason Adkins 70 3.889 883 808
Robin Reimer 66 3.667 917 868

[Schoen-hopper]

Round 4

Chris Smith 53 2.944 1005 1014
Randy Brown 52 2.889 1015 981
Don Mordecai 57 3.167 968 937
Nate Martin 57 3.167 968 966
Kevin Kaiser 57 3.167 968 952
Michael Schoenhofer 60 3.333 940 950
Kyle Klinger 62 3.444 922 950
Shan Mann 58 3.222 959 948
Randy Mattingly 61 3.389 931 941
Austin Streit 63 3.500 912 920
Brett Straight 61 3.389 931 917
Billie Cabral 62 3.444 922 914
Tom Vierthaler 63 3.500 912 913
Tyler Smith 61 3.389 931 900
Patt Hall 63 3.500 912 899
Kevin Lambdin 56 3.111 977 895
Tom Osborn 62 3.444 922 890
Tom Thompson 71 3.944 838 857
Kevin Brown 79 4.389 764 830
Marco Moore 70 3.889 847 821
Jason Adkins 67 3.722 875 808
Robin Reimer 66 3.667 884 868

[Schoen-hopper]

Overal Round Average

Chris Smith 55 3.028 1012 1014
Randy Brown 57 3.139 995 981
Don Mordecai 61 3.389 955 937
Nate Martin 60 3.347 962 966
Kevin Kaiser 60 3.319 966 952
Michael Schoenhofer 60 3.333 964 950
Kyle Klinger 66 3.667 911 950
Shan Mann 60 3.347 962 948
Randy Mattingly 63 3.486 940 941
Austin Streit 62 3.444 946 920
Brett Straight 63 3.500 937 917
Billie Cabral 67 3.736 900 914
Tom Vierthaler 65 3.625 918 913
Tyler Smith 65 3.597 922 900
Patt Hall 68 3.778 894 899
Kevin Lambdin 64 3.569 926 895
Tom Osborn 66 3.653 913 890
Tom Thompson 73 4.042 852 857
Kevin Brown 75 4.153 834 830
Marco Moore 75 4.167 832 821
Jason Adkins 72 3.986 861 808
Robin Reimer 69 3.819 887 868

[MOthrows]

That was interesting. Thanks for posting it.

[Schoen-hopper]

Anytime the SSA is above 54, it indicates a challenging course.

While The SSA for The Rock was 56, The "blue" level of golf, or 950 rated golf is more realistic for more of us. For 950 rated golf the couse par would be approx. 61. For the "white" level of golf, or 900 rated golf, the course par would be 67.




This gives a little perspective on the term "par". It is relative to the skill level. I think putting par close to the correct SA is best, but most use 2-3 higher par than the average. One might call Indian Rock a par 58 rather than 56 for pros. Keep in mind that 1000 rated golf is better than most pros. 950 is probably worse. Maybe pro par should be calculated at 975?

One way that I think a universal par could be posted would be to give the Hole Scoring Average in tenths on each tee sign. Example: A tee sign says HSA: 3.3. That is what 1000 rated play averages on that hole.

To find out what the hole should average for YOU, a couple of simple calculations are needed. First, subtract your rating from 1000. Then divide by 10 and then 18.

Example, lets say your rating is 892. 1000-892 = 108. 108/10 = 10.8 10.8/18 = .6

This .6 is added to 2 is added to the HSA of 3.3 to arrive at YOUR hole par of 3.9. In this way you can see that the pro par may be 3, but your par is close to 4.

Rather than set par easier than the actual average, I'd suggest using a rating that is a little bit better than your own. A 930 rated player could use 950 par. But using 1000 rated par for an 892 rated player obviously isn't very indicative to how well the player shot.

1000 rated golf should still be the universal standard though. You have to have a single standard. Most players shoot more than +30 in ball golf. 54 par may be the easiest for DG, but doesn't have any meaning other than a score counter.

[ronconversjr]

Actually,it means the course has too many par 3`s

[beisner]

Nice work, thanks for doing that!

[smitty]

I wish this would of been a sanctioned event. The round that I felt like I played like crap was still 997.

If I could have taken out a few OB's I could of had some super hot rounds.

Round 1 OB hole 4 and 14
Round 2 OB no OB's (I don't think?)
Round 3 OB hole 9 and 16
Round 4 OB hole 1, 10, and 17

I also had 1 brainfart during the 2nd round on hole 11. I turned a simple 35 footer for a 2 into a 5! I knew I should of laid up.

[pironix]

I wish this would of been a sanctioned event. The round that I felt like I played like crap was still 997.

I'm with you on that one....I'm only rated 808 at the moment but my lowest round rating turned out to be a freakin 849....

Mike, thanks for the breakdown. It's really beneficial (at least I think) to be able to break down an event and see how you did when it's not sanctioned...

[Schoen-hopper]

I've got more stats for you. These aren't easy to view in the tabulated form, so I'll break this up into several posts.

I calculated these stats based on pro scores. Rather than do stats seperately for pros, masters, advanced, etc... I combined it all into one category. I took 20 players who were approximately 935 or higher rated. The average might be 955. Some of these players were not even PDGA rated, and the actual tournament performance didn't play any part. It turned out to be 10 pros, 6 masters, and 4 advanced players.


First, scoring averages for each hole, for each round.

Hole 1
Round 1 (original placement): 3.05
Round 2 (short left): 3.10
Round 3 (right): 3.11
Round 4 (original): 3.00

Hole 2
Round 1 (under rock): 2.8
Round 2 (top of rock): 2.9 (surprisingly good!)
Round 3 (far left): 2.8
Round 4 (far left): 2.7

Hole 3
Round 1: 4.00
Round 2: 3.70
Round 3: 3.95
Round 4: 3.50

Hole 4
Round 1 (middle): 2.90
Round 2 (left): 3.15
Round 3 (long): 3.30
Round 4 (short): 2.60

Hole 5
Round 1: 3.50
Round 2: 3.00
Round 3: 2.85
Round 4: 3.15

Hole 6
Round 1: 3.50
Round 2: 3.65
Round 3: 3.40
Round 4: 3.25

Hole 7
Round 1: 3.15
Round 2: 3.10
Round 3: 3.10
Round 4: 3.10

Hole 8
Round 1: 4.50
Round 2: 4.45
Round 3: 4.50
Round 4: 4.45

Hole 9
Round 1 (middle): 3.25
Round 2 (longer): 3.40
Round 3 (near tree): 4.20
Round 4 (short): 3.25

Hole 10
Round 1 (original): 3.35
Round 2 (original): 3.45
Round 3 (left and shorter): 3.15
Round 4 (far left and much shorter): 2.75

Hole 11
Round 1 (just short of the road): 2.95
Round 2 (across the road left): 3.25
Round 3 (across the road right): 3.45
Round 4 (short right): 2.70

Hole 12
Round 1: 3.40
Round 2: 3.55
Round 3: 3.25
Round 4: 3.8

Hole 13
Round 1 (original): 3.80
Round 2 (right): 3.45
Round 3 (left): 3.40
Round 4 (short): 2.90

Hole 14
Round 1: 3.40
Round 2: 2.95
Round 3: 3.50
Round 4: 3.15

Hole 15
Round 1: 2.90
Round 2: 3.25
Round 3: 2.85
Round 4: 2.85

Hole 16
Round 1 (original): 4.75
Round 2 (long on dike): 4.65
Round 3 (short): 3.90
Round 4 (short): 3.75

Hole 17
Round 1: 3.40
Round 2: 3.35
Round 3: 3.35
Round 4: 3.00

Hole 18
Round 1: 3.10
Round 2: 2.75
Round 3: 3.10
Round 4: 3.05

[Schoen-hopper]

Here are the overall averages for the individual holes. Also included is the standard deviation, which figures the average spread of the scores. Higher usually means better designed holes. There are a few reasons why you can't automatically judge by this.

Luck factor (usually in too tight tunnel shot type holes).

Wind factor: this weekend was pretty ridiculous. Some holes that average around 3.3 might have given up almost as many 5's as 2's. Usually the 2/4 balance would be better. Other holes were made more interesting by the wind. Hole 18, for example.

Moving pin placements. Overall data listed here isn't any good for 8 of these holes. I'll list the others in red.


Hole 1
Scoring Average: 3.11
Standard Deviation: .73

Hole 2
2.80
.70

Hole 3
3.74
.80

Hole 4
2.99
.83

Hole 5
3.11
.56

Hole 6
3.45
.65

Hole 7
3.14
.77

Hole 8
4.48
.76

Hole 9
3.53
.63

Hole 10
3.18
.75

Hole 11
3.09
.73

Hole 12
3.50
.77

Hole 13
3.39
.75

Hole 14
3.25
.81

Hole 15
2.96.73

Hole 16
4.26
.92

Hole 17
3.28
.81

Hole 18
3.00
.88

[Schoen-hopper]

Here are the hole scores broken down into % of total scores (80). I've got round by round scores too, but it would take a while to post them all.

Scoring spreads ideally have 3 or more scores with 15-20% Ball golf holes usually average around hole numbers with a decent chance at birdie or bogey. This is not bad for disc golf either, but there are other options such as holes that average right between two scores. Par 3.5?The scoring variation is really good for most of these holes. A combination of good design and wind. Again, the large difference in placements on the holes that moved destroy these overall figures. The unmoved holes are in red.

Hole 1
1: 0%
2: 18%
3: 59%
4: 21%
5: 1%
6+: 1%

Hole 2
1: 1%
2: 29%
3: 63%
4: 4%
5: 4%
6+: 0%

Hole 3
1: 0%
2: 0%
3: 43%
4: 39%
5: 16%
6+: 3%

Hole 4
1: 0%
2: 28%
3: 53%
4: 15%
5: 4%
6+: 1%

Hole 5
1: 0%
2: 28%
3: 53%
4: 15%
5: 4%
6+: 1%

Hole 6
1: 0%
2: 3%
3: 66%
4: 19%
5: 0%
6+: 0%

Hole 7
1: 0%
2: 19%
3: 54%
4: 23%
5: 6%
6+: 0%

Hole 8
1: 0%
2: 0%
3: 6%
4: 46%
5: 43%
6+: 5%

Hole 9
1: 0%
2: 0%
3: 61%
4: 31%
5: 8%
6+: 0%

Hole 10
1: 0%
2: 15%
3: 59%
4: 20%
5: 6%
6+: 0%

Hole 11
1: 0%
2: 20%
3: 54%
4: 20%
5: 3%
6+: 0%

Hole 12
1: 0%
2: 3%
3: 58%
4: 30%
5: 8%
6+: 3%

Hole 13
1: 0%
2: 8%
3: 56%
4: 28%
5: 9%
6+: 0%

Hole 14
1: 0%
2: 14%
3: 58%
4: 21%
5: 6%
6+: 1%

Hole 15
1: 0%
2: 20%
3: 66%
4: 4%
5: 1%
6+: 0%

Hole 16
1: 0%
2: 0%
3: 21%
4: 50%
5: 16%
6+: 13%

Hole 17
1: 0%
2: 13%
3: 56%
4: 24%
5: 6%
6+: 1%

Hole 18
1: 1%
2: 26%
3: 58%
4: 10%
5: 6%
6+: 1%