BELOIT BLOWOUT & KDGA STATE CHAMPIONSHIP

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:37 pm

How many days until the Beloit tourney?

What a blast!

You Beloit boys are the bomb.

One of the highlights of the enitre thing. Having 3 Moshers qualify for the next round in the ring of fire, and Adam wasn't one of them.

Ring · Post by **Ring** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:08 am

Disc in the eye

Nug in the cooler

Ralph just so ya can drink some more

Explosions in night that rattle police windows

Late night mobs looking for Mike S. to bridge jump...Man what a party, had a great time!! You boys really know how to put on a tourny. Oh yea and the golf course was SWEETTTTTT

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:58 pm

The Friz in July. This was a great tourney. I had a blast. I remembered why I missed it so much. Many old friends were reunited. For instance, Mace and the concrete.

The Captains Quarters. Man I LOVE THIS BAR!

It was hot but at least it was not the usual 115 degrees. See you next year. Smitty - get that trophy fixed.

jtkustomizer · Post by **jtkustomizer** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:36 pm

Wow What a fun course

I had a great time this weekend.

I will have a lot of fun remembering all the crazy things that have happened this weekend, starting off with the EyeBotchy night experience

, the guys belly flopping in the pool

, helping a fellow discman get back to wichishitty in the little noen that could

, meeting new people, trying to get mike to jump off the bridge, and just having a great time

Thanks to everybody that showed up making this a trip to remember and to all the people that helped run this tourney i will definetly be back next year

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:49 pm

What club had the most members there?

13 WVDGAers
13 Air Cappers
6 EDGCers
7 Salinians
7 Flying Bison

pironix · Post by **pironix** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:24 pm

smitty wrote:What club had the most members there?

13 WVDGAers
13 Air Cappers
6 EDGCers
7 Salinians
7 Flying Bison

Hm...do I get to count as both Wichita and Hays? I'm a member of both...

Bangrrr · Post by **Bangrrr** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:52 pm

Thanks for a great (Ralph) weekend guys (Ralph). I had a (Ralph) fantastic time. I finally rolled in about 10 last night and apparently my efforts to wash the wifes truck door were less than adequate......Definiely have to come back next year

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:09 pm

Mace Man wrote:MPO 1 Chris Smith 51 53 46 47 197 $100.00
mpo 2 Kevin Babbit 55 49 51 45 200 $60.00
mpo 3 Mike Schoenhoffer 53 53 53 51 210 $45.00
mpo Nathan Martin 57 48 54 50 209
mpo Tracy Ruder 53 54 56 57 220
mpo Scooba 58 59 54 51 222

mpm 1 Kevin Rorabaugh 55 53 56 54 218 $115.00
MPM 2 Bill Paulson 59 57 52 51 219 $70.00
mpm 3 Don Mordecai 53 58 57 55 223 $55.00
mpm Friz Rocker 59 60 56 52 227
mpm Dave Roberts 58 60 55 54 227
mpm Kyle Klinger 58 55 56 61 230
mpm Mark Salada 57 59 56 60 232

MM1 1 Tom Vierther 55 59 50 52 216 $85.00
mm1 2 Darren Bottom 61 59 56 56 232 $65.00
mm1 3 Jackie Massell 62 58 59 55 234 $45.00
mm1 4 Bob Decker 61 62 61 56 240 $25.00
mm1 Tom Osborn 64 63 56 63 246
mm1 Freddy Milbers 62 60 60 66 248
mm1 Tommy Thompson 67 68 58 64 257
mm1 Brian Shields 64 68 999 DNF
mm1 Brad Shields 66 72 999 DNF

ma1 1 Dustin Widener 57 51 51 53 212 $95.00
ma1 2 Devon Price 53 54 54 54 215 $90.00
MA1 3 brad roeder 53 52 55 56 216 $80.00
MA1 4 Austin Streit 58 58 54 51 221 $65.00
ma1 5 Adam Mosher 56 56 55 55 222 $55.00
ma1 6 jeff Ring 60 49 55 59 223 $45.00
ma1 7 Brad Younger 57 56 53 59 225 $30.00
ma1 Andy Lyne 60 53 54 59 226
ma1 Tyler Smith 62 55 55 57 229
ma1 Brett Straight 56 64 55 57 232
ma1 Kevin Kaiser 60 54 58 60 232
ma1 Billie Cabral 59 60 59 58 236
ma1 Tyler Stanley 61 61 64 60 246
ma1 Chad Gasper 64 62 65 63 254
ma1 Brandon Mace 76 76 999 DNF
ma1 Phil Schmidt 64 68 999 DNF

ma2 1 Crispin Carrasco 55 56 58 54 223 $65.00
Ma2 2 Chris Affholder 55 58 55 57 225 $58.00
ma2 3 Josh Case 58 60 64 53 235 $58.00
ma2 4 Shane Abram 62 62 59 53 236 $45.00
ma2 5 Corbin Newland 62 59 62 55 238 $35.00
ma2 6 Jason Adkins 60 63 58 58 239 $25.00
ma2 7 Scott Haynes 63 57 60 59 239 $25.00
ma2 Jason Myers 60 64 59 58 241
ma2 Chris Berens 63 59 61 58 241
ma2 Nick Mattingly 63 61 63 56 243
ma2 Darrell Sander 61 62 58 63 244
ma2 Kevin Brown 63 63 62 65 253
ma2 Peter Mohr 60 65 70 61 256

ma3 1 Joel Wilke 59 65 65 63 252 $65.00
ma3 2 Jarod Wiens 65 61 64 63 253 $60.00
Ma3 3 Bob Hardister 66 66 65 57 254 $55.00
ma3 4 Josh Luinstra 67 66 59 63 255 $45.00
ma3 5 Shawn Jimenez 62 69 69 59 259 $35.00
ma3 6 Chris Tyler 65 62 67 72 266 $30.00
ma3 7 Kyle Rowden 69 68 63 69 269 $20.00
ma3 Lil Rocker 75 66 70 63 274
ma3 Micheal Daniels 70 72 70 64 276
ma3 Matt Peters 72 72 69 65 278
ma3 Kelby Marsh 70 74 77 76 297
ma3 Marco Moore 65 68 79 999 DNF
ma3 Kelly Giger 76 78 999 DNF

MJ3 1 Plamen Iantchen 68 64 70 61 263 $15.00
MJ3 2 John Mosher 71 71 70 66 278 $15.00
mj3 3 Chris Milbers 81 76 66 72 295 $15.00

FPO 1 Robin Reimer 64 68 59 67 258 $35.00
fw1 1 Stacy Smith 73 70 70 69 282 $30.00
fw2 1 Kile Byington 77 84 79 78 318 $25.00

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:50 am

I had a great time in Beloit. This tournament sets the standard for a FUN tournament.

Some things that made the tournament so great...

*The course was fantastic. Great course design and short mowed grass made the experience so much better.
*The free BBQ was killer. Thanks to Smitty and Mace for hooking that up.
*The list of sponsors was huge. I went to Plum Creek Meats for lunch Saturday and their food was excellent.
*CTP prizes, run for the roses, and the bonus cash.
*The atmosphere. Everyone is friendly and everyone was having a blast.

Thanks so much for keeping this event one of Kansas' best!

Oh yeah, the laugh off with Scooba was quite hysterical. What do you get when you mix southern KS discers, Beloit, and 1am?....Frennis. Combination of ultimate frisbee and volleyball on a tennis court. They just said "make a rule" and the sport was born. Firing squad glow par 2 was a riot as well. And somebody is going to have to jump off that damn bridge!! (I'm going to need you guys to line up over there)

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:57 am

Just because I know how much pride you all take in your event, I'll give a couple of suggestions for next time.

If shirts are a part of player packs, get some sizes that will fit women, kids, and shrimp such as myself.

If discers are camped out next to a pin placement, tell them to move it. I saw most were gone by Sunday morning, but we didn't get to play the alts on holes 3, 10, 15, 17, and 18. It's fun to see both sides of the course in a 4 round event. The alts we did get to play were a lot of fun.

If there is bonus money or such, spread it out evenly in the pro master or especially the open men and women divisions. When you ask the question why players don't move up to Open, the answer is pretty simple. I could have taken $100 in plastic, some bonus cash, and got my sandbagger picture taken for a cool trophey if I played advanced. Instead, zip. 4 of us were basically playing for our entry back and we were good sports to do so. Imagine how Smitty and Babbit would feel if we all had played down. Another reason players don't move up is because its more acceptable to win over and over than it is to play back down once you've moved up. Since their entry fees are higher and cashing disparity is so much greater in the open division, it is a true statement that open players are the biggest donators to the game. Only a few are the biggest winners. I know there is only so much you can do. We have had a lot of pro players in past events and I would like to see that again.

I'm sure there are some other perspectives on these things. Just some food for thought. You know I'll be back!

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:37 am

I think that Mike may have a pretty good point on the "sandbagging" thing. It has always and will always be a problem.

One way I see to get people to move up would be bigger players packs in the am fields, and less or even no payout other then a trophy. For example you pay $30 to play. You get 2 discs when you sign-up. Then every single am player gets the same payout minus the trophy. Another thing that keeps people from moving up is picking your own plastic at the awards.

There could be a Pro 2 division.

If that was the case, I think that some of the Advanced players would jump up. I also think that some of the players in the current Pro division would and could jump down. Only problem I see with that, The Pro division would shrink, then we would have people bagging in the Pro 2 division for ever. You would have to have some kind of rule that you could only cash so many times in Pro 2.

Before I played Pro at PDGA events, I spent a year playing both. If it was PDGA Advanced. If it was a KDGA event only Pro. It was a great way to become a better player. If every shot you throw isn't important, you are not going to become a better player. Lets face it. Even in the Advanced division if you throw a disc OB, you are probably going to be OK, because everyone else is going to throw one OB also during the round. When you are playing against Ron, Eric, and Kevin you cannot ever count on them messing up, and when they do, you have to take advantage of it.

It looks to me like the AM 3 were the only division that didn't have "baggers" in it.

Advanced I would say the cut off would be around 220-225?
Am II 222-227?
Advance Masters - MR. V would have won old farts.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:56 am

Schoen-hopper wrote:I could have taken $100 in plastic, some bonus cash, and got my sandbagger picture taken for a cool trophey if I played advanced.

You never know that. It is the same as if an advanced player shoots good enough to cash in open and everyone calls him (or her) a sandbagger. The truth is the circumstances are different if someone plays up or down. They would have played with different people on different starting holes at different times. Take into account the different level of pressure between the two divisions, when the wind is blowing, and waiting on tee boxes. Maybe you shoot better, maybe you shoot worse. I don't think anyone would shoot exactly the same.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:25 am

I agree with Austin also.

I don't think Mike would have shot the same. I think he would have shot better.

He had me in his ear the last few holes telling him. "Each stroke is important!".

I think it is for the most part easier for a player in the Open division to move down and do well, then it is for a person in the Advanced division to move up and play well.

jtkustomizer · Post by **jtkustomizer** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:25 pm

Here is what the innova website and climo have to say about baggers

"Additional comments:
Attention: Sandbaggers, help the sport, help yourself - move up."

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:57 pm

It is pretty disappointing having such a small field.

In all honesty, it wouldn't be so hard to cash if everyone who should play Open on the Oz Tour played it. The payout would be deeper, which means that everyone would have a better chance to get into a paying spot. There is no reason there shouldn't be 10 open players at every event. Especially with 70+ people.