1880 Doubles Oct 29th

[crispinthomascarrasco]

an event like this, KDGA or not, needs a set of guidleines to ensure the fairest of play. I have never heard of a format (accept straight up singles) that had a 100% approval. nothing will ever be perfect when it comes to expected play and projected ratings and numbers. in this case, the numbers are the LAW, The Swede is the LAW.

if it is really just about fun and seeing some old friends, you and Shane should pick from the list of people who need partners and come out for a good time. That would put 2 more teams in the mix instead of one contraversial team.

Stating how bad you are and declaring you do NOT plan on winning is a form of Team Spirit I am not familiar with.

Coming out and playing with a partner that fits your numbers and partying all day gets a ton more style points than pleading with the TD to reconsider after a judgement has been passed.

If for some reason you still insist on only playing with Crisler, I would suggest you two show up, not pay an entry fee, get put on a card, play the format, have a great time. one sentence says , I am here for the fun, KDGA is not built on competeing, want to get back into golf, etc...next sentence is negotiating your payout plan...

I know we don't know each other, but I saw this and was weirded out and felt like saying something. hope you can make it out. it is going to be really fun.

[kscustom]

I am open to playing with anyone I would just like to play. Is mace not playing cause Trude can't or mace can't?

[ShaneOmac]

Ok the hole point is that there is a required 1880. I know this...so before even asking jon to play I talked to nelson. Told him that jon used to be a pdga member back in 2003. Nelsons only question was is he a better player than you right now I said no... Considering he hasn't played in yrs...so the TD-Nelson said thats fine no problem. So I made the call to Jon he accepted my invitation to play. So since im not working now I sold plastic to play.me and Jon put in a practice round in which we had a good time planning for the weekend. I went thru the planning with the WIFE of getting a sitter for the day. Anyone who's married knows how difficult that can be sometimes. All for what so Nelson could go back on what he origanaly had said... And my intention is not to make an unfair team which it is not I assure you of that. It was just about having a good time with my friend as my partner. ( but as everyone knows im always gonna bring it.) Just hope I get to this weekend...

[Swede]

Shane, do you really want to do this here?

Folks that don't yet have a partner...
Kent Lockhart 798
Jason Childre 856
Jehremy Heckman 902
Brian Shields 889
Alex Zollman 866
Cliff Zollman 915ish
Shane Crisler 949
John Cunningham 945ish

Folks that need to be dragged to the course by their bits
Mikey Schoen-Hopper 930
Ronnie Unruh 970
Austin Streit 964
Phillip Schmidt 931
Andy Lynne 952
Cameron and Nick Unruh
Shan Mann 934
Boebo 908
Brendan Hickman 1880

[ShaneOmac]

Do what.you got my # you can call me im just expressing truth. From the tone you make sound like ive done something wrong. I have no problems with you or anyone. Im not sure what you mean" do I really want to do this here". Isnt that what this forum is for to express our issues.

[smitty]

Just wanted to say, I think it's a huge mistake not to let Shane and I play in this tourney.

I think it might be a bigger mistake to let you guys play together. Swede did a ton of work coming up with his K-ratings and the format is very specific relating to the the Maximum combined player rating.

I completely disagree with you Smitty.. you would be amazed how much of a difference 7 years off can make. I played Newton yesterday (first time ive played in years, and only time I will be playing until Saturday), and it was a mess. My putting was off, my distance was nothing like it used to be, and I was spraying drives everywhere in those trees..... There is no way I am capable of consistantly playing 930 as of now.

I think you could/would beat any of those players rated 930-940. You know how to pull off all the shots, and have pulled them all off. Most of those people that are 930 and lower have No sidearm, No roller, No thumber. Missed putts and sprayed drives are the norm for most of these people.

Also, I think not allowing us to play goes entirely against the premise that the KDGA was built for.. to promote play and socialization among disc golfers and friends in the Kansas area. This tournament sparked an interest in me to "get back into the game" and the KDGA. The KDGA has NEVER been about hardcore competition, especially at an event of this nature. Obviously disc golf is a very competitive sport, but that's typically reserved for the PDGA sanctioned events... not something of this nature.

This event is exactly what the KDGA wants/needs. An event that sparks the interest of new players while pulling the old guys out of the woodwork also. As Crispin posted, we would love to have both of you at the event. If you want to play in the actual event, pick one of the people off the list. Those guys are wanting to play! Or as was suggested play together and just play for the fun of it.

I really think whomever told the TD I shouldn't play should be ashamed of themselves. Does winning/placing in this event mean that much to you?

That is a little harsh. The Swede has put more effort into this event then 90% of TD's do for their events. Winning and placing is obviously not of a big concern of his. He is playing with a women rated just over 800.

Ok the hole point is that there is a required 1880. I know this...so before even asking jon to play I talked to nelson. Told him that jon used to be a pdga member back in 2003. Nelsons only question was is he a better player than you right now I said no..

Brandon knew nothing about Jon. He asked me a few days ago if I thought was 930 rated. I told him he was really good when he stopped playing. I am sure he wasn't as good as he was, but he would be better then 930 for sure.

So since im not working now I sold plastic to play.me and Jon put in a practice round in which we had a good time planning for the weekend. I went thru the planning with the WIFE of getting a sitter for the day. Anyone who's married knows how difficult that can be sometimes.

The good news is that you are not out anything yet. You could still scoop up one of the players looking for a partner and be a part of the tourney or you and Jon could still play togther, just not as part of the tourney.

..... Nelson could go back on what he origanaly had said...

It is the correct call. As a TD you do what you think is right first, then you do what you think the players would want. It isn't that Brandon doesn't want you guys to play, the problem is that he doesn't want to risk frustrating all the other people at the event.

And my intention is not to make an unfair team which it is not I assure you of that. It was just about having a good time with my friend as my partner. ( but as everyone knows im always gonna bring it.) Just hope I get to this weekend...

Brandon made sure that your team wouldn't be unfair. You still have the opportunity to have fun and bring it this weekend, it just isn't going to be with Jon.



I hope that you both can make it.

[smitty]

On a different note.

Swede I have a six pack of some of the finest flying plastic on the planet coming your way to use as you see fit.


I cannot wait until Saturday morning.

[Mel]

That is a little harsh. The Swede has put more effort into this event then 90% of TD's do for their events. Winning and placing is obviously not of a big concern of his. He is playing with a women rated just over 800.

Swede does plan on winning!! With me!!!

[Swede]

Shane,

I expressed myself politely in a PM to you and John last night. I further explained my reasoning when you called me this morning. I posted my reasoning here for all to see. I've fielded your texts and asked if you could provide a better way for me to make this decision. You haven't. You just ask that I trust you. You called yourself a "stand up guy" and said you don't know why the "disc golf community is trying to f#@* me."

When you first called I was at work and said I had a quick moment. You said he "hasn't really played for like 5 years." I asked if he was better than you and you said no. I said "I don't see a problem, then." When I got home, I PM'd asking what his PDGA rating was, did he play league etc.? Your response "He said he dosnt even know what his last rating was." I posted that I wanted input on Jon's rating. Then I see you at Camp Hawk and my buddy noticed that you tried to get away from me pretty quickly and he thought it was funny that Jon blurted out that he hadn't played for 6 years. Later I read that Schoenny thinks Jon was 970 rated. Also Jon had posted that "I basically haven't touched a disc in 7 years."

At this point I am convinced I am being manipulated.

I thought it was funny that Jon didn't know what his rating had been but can accurately and decisively say "my skills have diminished to 930 or under." That statement conveys an intimate knowledge of our rating system.

Would it surprise you to find out that Jon's last rating was actually 980? (Source: http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/9310)

Shane, I saw you hustle your way out of your $5 league entry a couple weeks ago by lying about hitting an ace. You know if we would've cashed, you would've accepted your payout. You play the victim often, but poorly. I don't know anybody else in the disc golf community that feels everyone is against them. Ever consider it might be something you are doing?

What reason have either of you given me to trust you? And remember your honesty is the only argument you have for why you should be allowed to play this tourney together. Everybody else is rated by performance and/or peers but I should let you two rate yourself?

Now, let's pretend that I do trust you both. Even if Jon's skills are coincidentally exactly at a 930 level, I would be giving you every benefit of the doubt just so that you could be among the top 3 or 4 teams in the event. I've offered no one else this kind of generosity. No one else has tried to ask for it.

Jon, I don't know you but I've heard you are a nice guy. So I don't want to burn bridges but please do me this solid, don't lecture me or anyone else here on what the KDGA is about. Everyone coming is planning on having a good time at this event. And please don't try to tell me you just want to have fun and see old friends if you refuse to pair up with list of folks that continue to post that they need a partner. Lastly, don't "shame" the people who have been running and growing the KDGA the last 5,6 or 7 years you haven't been playing. They are the reason events like this happen.

I've got a beer and a shot of good whiskey for either or both of you if you show up Saturday with an eligible partner. Jon, if you find a partner 940 or lower, we will call that good.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Swede]

On a different note.

Swede I have a six pack of some of the finest flying plastic on the planet coming your way to use as you see fit.


I cannot wait until Saturday morning.

Ah Yeah! More goodies. Thanks, Smitty. We'll be finding all kinds of ways to dole out the swag! CTP, longest putt, best score on the tough shot holes, best score on the Alt Shot section. We're planning on gettin' weird! Maybe something for best personality. Or best hair. Most presidential?

[Swede]

That is a little harsh. The Swede has put more effort into this event then 90% of TD's do for their events. Winning and placing is obviously not of a big concern of his. He is playing with a women rated just over 800.

Swede does plan on winning!! With me!!!

Yes, we plan on winning. But he speaks truth; my big concern is definitely having a dang good time. You in, Pimpstress?

[Scottism]

The post said we could 'just show up' but Schoenhofer said we should let you know since we weren't sure of our ratings. Put Scott Parker/Howard Dine team on the list. Format sounds cool, can't wait.

[pironix]

On a different note.

Swede I have a six pack of some of the finest flying plastic on the planet coming your way to use as you see fit.


I cannot wait until Saturday morning.

Ah Yeah! More goodies. Thanks, Smitty. We'll be finding all kinds of ways to dole out the swag! CTP, longest putt, best score on the tough shot holes, best score on the Alt Shot section. We're planning on gettin' weird! Maybe something for best personality. Or best hair. Most presidential?

I've got some KDGA swag I'll bring as well... it is two days before Halloween. Wonder if anyone will come in costume?

[Swede]

The post said we could 'just show up' but Schoenhofer said we should let you know since we weren't sure of our ratings. Put Scott Parker/Howard Dine team on the list. Format sounds cool, can't wait.

Glad to have you! You guys are good ratings wise--that's the main thing. If someone shows up Saturday and I can't verify they are 1880 or less, that would be a problem. Did I hear right that Dine is an Okie? Might be our first out of stater.

[Scottism]

Former Okie, lives up these parts now days.