2011 Oz Tour Points Update

[kselrod]

What is the Budsters format?

Format:

Format:
Players will be randomly seeded before the start of the first round. This neglects any intentional pairings or hole assignments. Groups with 6 or fewer people will play on one card each round. Groups with 7 – 10 players will play on 2 cards, and 3 cards for up to 14 players. All matches will be predetermined by seed number on the scorecard. Play is a shotgun start for everyone, each 6 holes is a 1 vs. 1 match play. After each 6 holes a new match will begin. Playing this fashion will allow 3 matches to take place over 18 holes. Everyone will play 6 matches during the day.

.....W.....T......F.....????? My head hurts now, I need a Snopp Dogg beverage...lol.

[smitty]

Mike must have be in the custody of the Russian Authorities!!

Looks like Mike Speers is the only player who wasn't in the top 1/3. He didn't score enough points to make it into the top 1/3.

The event in Salina is a must play for people who are on the outside of the top 1/3 looking in. Get that last chance spot.

[Schoen-hopper]

Only 7 members at the Shunga. Top third is in Red. I will show the rest of the qualifiers after the Great Life.

Important thing is that at the Great Life and at the Round Up: if you are not in the top third, you can get an automatic tournament qualifier bid for being the highest finish in your (non-top-third) division.

Open
1 Ron Convers 1229
2 Crispin Carrasco 1010
3 Phil Jackson 910
4 Austin Streit 892
5 Brandon Nelson 877
6 Chris Smith 804
7 Tracy Ruder 762
8 Ben Wiggins 731
9 Bo Carrasco 667
10 Joe Hesting 568
11 Brendan Hickman 524
12 Ronnie Unruh 489
13 Nate Martin 455
14 Ben Maass 320
15 Shan Mann 295
16 Jeff Ring 278
17 Chris Jones 266
18 Leo Deprato 245
19 Jeremy Rusco 245
20 Eric McCabe 219
21 Scott Reek 177
22 Michael Schoenhofer 94
23 Nils Nordgren 37
24 Bren Nordgren 10
.
Masters
1 Jared Kintzel 1005
2 Curtis Broadhurst 914
3 Randy Brown 755
4 Darren Bottom 537
5 Don Mordecai 431
6 Mike Speer 374
7 Danny Knox 367
9 Brandon Mace 330
8 Tom Vierthaler 327
10 Iqbal Jehan 239
11 Mark Salada 187
12 Richard Holmgren 185
13 Jackie Massell 185
14 Gary Harvey 166
15 Hal Kurz 0
16 Kyle Klinger 0
.
Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 249
2 Kevin Rorabaugh 225
3 Buddy Kassner 217
4 Terry Burley 143
5 Harvey Barger 124
6 Dave Richardson 113
7 Bill Paulson 109
8 Bruce Hudson 101
.
Advanced Am.
1 J.D. Wyatt 586
2 Jason Adkins 537
3 Jeff Vest 506
4 Scott Haynes 477
5 Brandon Tull 439
6 Casey Fluty 437
7 Phil Schmidt 402
8 Jason Snodgrass 376
9 Cort Hughes 347
10 Tyler Patzner 328
11 Steven Deere 317
12 Adam Mosher 306
13 Andy Lyne 207
14 Seth Toepfer 105
15 Kevin Lambdin 49
16 Tom Graham 3
17 Dan Decker 0
18 Adam Searle 0
19 Trent Martin 0
.
Amateur
1 Don Zimmerman 296
2 Loyd Majors 229
3 Taylor Camp 201
4 Jeremy Kindy 196
5 Branden Rusk 182
6 Russ Trice 165
7 Kevin Elrod 132
8 Kyle Kuhn 127
9 Jason Childre 121
10 Kent Lockhart 115
11 James Fawcett 112
12 Tyler Smith 111
13 Jacob Rothweiler 111
14 Caleb Campbell 99
15 Arty Hicks 97
16 Chris Tyler 94
17 Jeff Updegrove 70
18 Tony Blair 68
19 Scott Carpenter 63
20 Damen Workentin 53
21 Kurtis Meier 45
22 John Mosher 35
23 Mark Kewley 25
24 Bryan Grossbach 25
25 Rick Petrie 20
26 Harry Shimp 18
27 Adam Bleything 14
28 Vince Naccarato 12
29 Scott Donaldson 7
30 Eric Frayley 3
31 Jerry Powell 0
32 Nathan Smiley 0
33 Kyle McCready 0
34 Lars Nordgren 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Greg Larmer 300
2 Tom Osborn 283
3 Dale Bare 175
4 Bob Decker 171
5 Tom Thompson 164
6 Don Moore 22
.
Women
1 Mel Snodgrass 79
2 Robin Reimer 74
3 Tracy Johnson 17
.
Junior
1 Nicklaus Unruh 42
2 Cameron Unruh 36
.
112 members

[smitty]

Looks to me like these are the people who scooped up the last chance qualifier spots.

Open: Nate Martin
Masters: Iqbal
Grand Masters: Harvey
Am Masters: Dale Bare
Am 2: Scott Donaldson

Will do a more full run down after Mike figures the points and posts them.

[jnotty]

Don't I qualify for being top in the northeast quadrant??????
Hesting

Where's the info on the finals anyway??

[Schoen-hopper]

I'll get the points update done tonight and it will list all of those currently qualified for the finals.

Finals are in Wichita. Either park is available, but I think Smitty is going with Herman Hill due to having the Water Center available in case of bad weather.

[smitty]

Don't I qualify for being top in the northeast quadrant??????
Hesting

Where's the info on the finals anyway??

I would guess yes, but will know for sure after Mike gets the points updated.

[Schoen-hopper]

Update through Salina: Great Life Golf Club: 10/22/11

Blue = Top Pro and Am for each Region.
Red = Current Top Third.
Green = Automatic Tournament Qualifier.
Orange = Friz Rocker.

Open
1 Ron Convers 1229
2 Crispin Carrasco 1010
3 Phil Jackson 927
4 Austin Streit 914
5 Brandon Nelson 877
6 Chris Smith 834
7 Tracy Ruder 786
8 Ben Wiggins 759
9 Bo Carrasco 667
10 Joe Hesting 568
11 Brendan Hickman 524
12 Ronnie Unruh 489
13 Nate Martin 482
14 Ben Maass 320
15 Shan Mann 295
16 Chris Jones 292
17 Jeff Ring 288
18 Jeremy Rusco 268
19 Leo Deprato 245
20 Eric McCabe 219
21 Scott Reek 177
22 Michael Schoenhofer 107
23 Nils Nordgren 37
24 Bren Nordgren 10
.
Masters
1 Jared Kintzel 1030
2 Curtis Broadhurst 914
3 Randy Brown 784
4 Darren Bottom 542
5 Don Mordecai 431
6 Mike Speer 381
7 Danny Knox 367
8 Tom Vierthaler 342
9 Brandon Mace 331
10 Iqbal Jehan 256
11 Richard Holmgren 200
12 Jackie Massell 192
13 Mark Salada 187
14 Gary Harvey 163
15 Hal Kurz 0
16 Kyle Klinger 0
.
Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 259
2 Buddy Kassner 230
3 Kevin Rorabaugh 225
4 Harvey Barger 145
5 Terry Burley 143
6 Dave Richardson 120
7 Bill Paulson 109
8 Bruce Hudson 101
.
Advanced Am.
1 J.D. Wyatt 586
2 Jason Adkins 537
3 Jeff Vest 506
4 Scott Haynes 480
5 Casey Fluty 457
6 Brandon Tull 439
7 Phil Schmidt 419
8 Jason Snodgrass 376
9 Cort Hughes 347
10 Tyler Patzner 328
11 Steven Deere 317
12 Adam Mosher 306
13 Andy Lyne 207
14 Seth Toepfer 105
15 Kevin Lambdin 49
16 Tom Graham 3
17 Dan Decker 0
18 Adam Searle 0
19 Trent Martin 0
.
Amateur
1 Don Zimmerman 296
2 Loyd Majors 229
3 Taylor Camp 201
4 Jeremy Kindy 196
5 Branden Rusk 182
6 Russ Trice 165
7 Kevin Elrod 132
8 Kyle Kuhn 127
9 Jason Childre 121
10 Jacob Rothweiler 120
11 Kent Lockhart 115
12 James Fawcett 112
13 Tyler Smith 111
14 Caleb Campbell 99
15 Arty Hicks 97
16 Chris Tyler 94
17 Scott Carpenter 82
18 Jeff Updegrove 70
19 Tony Blair 68
20 Damen Workentin 53
21 Kurtis Meier 45
22 John Mosher 35
23 Mark Kewley 25
24 Bryan Grossbach 25
25 Rick Petrie 20
26 Harry Shimp 18
27 Adam Bleything 14
28 Vince Naccarato 12
29 Scott Donaldson 7
30 Eric Frayley 3
31 Jerry Powell 0
32 Nathan Smiley 0
33 Kyle McCready 0
34 Lars Nordgren 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Greg Larmer 300
2 Tom Osborn 287
3 Dale Bare 177
4 Bob Decker 171
5 Tom Thompson 164
6 Don Moore 22
.
Women
1 Mel Snodgrass 79
2 Robin Reimer 74
3 Tracy Johnson 17
.
Junior
1 Nicklaus Unruh 42
2 Cameron Unruh 36
.
112 members

[smitty]

Don't I qualify for being top in the northeast quadrant??????
Hesting

Where's the info on the finals anyway??

The Kanoli will represent Region 2 as the top Pro player. He is sitting in 2nd overall in the points.


You will just need to qualify at the Round-Up.

[Schoen-hopper]

Regional qualifiers are top pro and am for each region. Not every division. The regional qualifiers that aren't currently in the top third are Phil Schmidt, Jason Snodgrass, & Tom Thompson.

Tournament Qualifier spots are the only ones that are actually locked in and cannot be lost.

Brandon Mace has played 15 events, so he leads those not qualifed by other means. Right behind him are Bo, Jo Hesting, and Mike Speer with 14 each. Newton could be the deciding factor as I'll bet all of these guys will be at the Round Up. If Kent Lockhart falls out of the top third, he will get this spot with 21 events played.

For next season, I will be in favor of modifying how the "top third" gets qualified. I see 11 intermediate players getting in, some on only 4 tournaments played. While there are open players with 600-some points and 14 tourneys played that aren't qualified. I would like to see a slight adjustment that will let a few more pros in.

[kselrod]

For next season, I will be in favor of modifying how the "top third" gets qualified. I see 11 intermediate players getting in, some on only 4 tournaments played. While there are open players with 600-some points and 14 tourneys played that aren't qualified. I would like to see a slight adjustment that will let a few more pros in.[/quote]

I only see 2 am's qualified with 4 tournaments played and one of those am's is a junior. Is it just the fact that 11 intermediate players are qualifying? I hope the thought process isn't to place a minimum on events played to qualify. The open players are always going to have more points because they are better players than am's and get more points per event. Open players are going to play in more events in my mind because of the potential of winning cash factor. I hope a change doesn't penalize an am player that plays really well in a few events to qualify. This could cause a loss of interest in the KDGA by am players I think.

I do have an interesting proposal for everyone to think about if this should come to debate. Maybe you take their total points accumulated and divide by events played to come up with an average per event. Then take the top 1/3 by average per division. But the down side is someone could play lights out their first tournament and not play the rest of the year to qualify. Maybe just a small number of events could be required (i.e. 4 or 5 events & triple point events count as two events) and if you play poor in the other 3 or 4 events then it would lower your average considerably. Then the brilliant minds of the KDGA that could write a program (i.e. Swede) determine a range in averages to determine which division you are placed in. This could also help some players to still qualify even though they suffer an injury and can't play for a couple of months and they fall way behind in points.

Just a thought.

[Schoen-hopper]

I'm not trying to start a debate. Points per event is largely dependent on the attendance of the events played. This would kill off the small tournaments. Originally, the top 10 (later 12) points earners made it in. Division didn't matter. Now we have more ams getting in than pros. I don't think its far off from being as fair a system as possible, but something other than peer pressure should reward players for moving up. The PDGA gives out more points in the higher divisions. I would just propose some slightly different percentages for each division other than 33%.

[smitty]

I think the system is a fair as we can make it now.

People who play the most events should get in. You can also play just a few of the triple point events and get in that way.

As far as the lower AMs, some of those are getting in by playing the Food Drives, Team Event, and now Doubles. They can never score 10 pts at a single day event, yet all these are guaranteed 10 pts.


Our other option would be to give them all a K-rating and have a cut-off just like the PDGA. Swede you down for the all year all event job?

I think if a person is finishing the the top 2 or 3 of their divisioin, they should be asked to move up.

[kselrod]

All good ideas. Maybe the KDGA could mandate someone finishing in the top 2 or 3 spots to move up the following year and if they in return finish in the bottom third then they can move back down the following year again. Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work for those involved in keeping points and keeping track of who should be in which division is all. Everything seems fair currently so surely you could tweak the open division to allow a few more of them to qualify I would think.

[pschmidt]

The regional qualifiers that aren't currently in the top third are Phil Schmidt, Jason Snodgrass, & Tom Thompson.

Looks to me like these are the people who scooped up the last chance qualifier spots.

Open: Nate Martin
Masters: Iqbal
Grand Masters: Harvey
Advanced: Phil Schmidt
Am Masters: Dale Bare
Am 2: Scott Donaldson

So, I'm in right? I think Mosher would get the regional qualifier for Region 3.