Best Course in Kansas

MOthrows · Post by **MOthrows** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:04 pm

disc golf superhero wrote:Thomas Park Salina. Someday.

Heck yea!

carlbren21 · Post by **carlbren21** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:01 pm

Bangrrr wrote: 17 W @ Jones just plain kills me, but I have some ideas I wanna try next time......

Do these ideas involve a chainsaw?

$c0oBa · Post by **$c0oBa** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:16 pm

Bangrrr wrote: 17 W @ Jones just plain kills me, but I have some ideas I wanna try next time......Still lots of KS courses I wanna play...

I throw the backhand roller down the right side of the fairway heading left and it likes to roll out around the pin.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:21 pm

I finally 3'd the long setting. Played a drive that went fairly far, but didn't skip to far away from the road. Then through an understable disc with a really wide, tall hyzer. Being understable, it didn't hyzer out too early.

W · Post by W » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:16 pm

Speaking of rarely-played, ultra-challenging disc golf holes in Dodge City...few years ago, I installed a temporary 9-hole course at the New Chance rehab facility. Holes 8 and 9 were between two long rows of trees that served as a shelter belt. The low-hanging trees and OB-protected outside forced most to throw straight down "the pipe". I think 8 was longer, but 9 was the real clincher. About 225 with "basket" (dowel rod with bells and flagging tape) in clearing at end of belt. 3 feet past and it was downhill into the truck stop parking lot. Out of bounds and possible expulsion if caught trying to retrieve. Lay up or go to jail. Sounds hard to me.

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:35 pm

Schoen-hopper wrote:I finally 3'd the long setting. Played a drive that went fairly far, but didn't skip to far away from the road. Then through an understable disc with a really wide, tall hyzer. Being understable, it didn't hyzer out too early.

I've 3'd the long setting.

I've also 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and DNF'd it with 2 lost discs. HURRAH!

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:49 pm

For those who don't have the arm to get over, which would be quite a few players, I wonder what the average is going down that bottle neck path?

pironix · Post by **pironix** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:11 am

Schoen-hopper wrote:I finally 3'd the long setting. Played a drive that went fairly far, but didn't skip to far away from the road. Then through an understable disc with a really wide, tall hyzer. Being understable, it didn't hyzer out too early.

Strangely enough, I can say I've 3'd this hole as well once - in the last DD Open. I chucked a Pred over the top after my initial drive and hit a 70 footer for it though.. gotta work at it!

Otherwise I've seen alot of 4's in groups that I've played - drive to normal pin, upshot into the tunnel, upshot to basket and putt...

Bangrrr · Post by **Bangrrr** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:18 am

3 is possible even in the Rec division. I nailed one down the middle (and didn't hit the trees off the tee) and threw a UD over the trees. Missed a 50 footer for par.....Just need to be in better position to throw the big hyzer over for my second shot.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:36 am

Your calling that a par 3, Bangrr Bob?

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:29 am

Not a par 3. Jon Houck would call it a par 5 if you were playing it at world doubles. Every World Doubles hole I played, I felt like a birdie is what you should score, it seemed like you were allowed 1 screw up per hole.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:22 am

If you think about holes as par 2.5 or 3.5 or 4.5 sometimes they make more sense.

I've always thought that the course par should be close to the scoring average. If the SSA on a given course was 56, a 1000 rated golfer should play the course with 2 par 4's. If the SSA is 49, the course is too easy for a 1000 rated golfer because you'd have to call some holes par 2's. If every hole averaged 2.7, I guess that's a whole nuther story.

I've played a couple of Houck's designs recently (Rockwall and Williamson Co.) that played with many par 4's and a few par 5's. All those holes played exactly like their par suggested. The course was designed for the advanced player though, which I am. A 1000 rated golfer would shoot about 5-7 strokes better per round on a course with an SSA around 58.

mrsenortyler · Post by **mrsenortyler** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:46 pm

Way off topic.

Something Scoring Average?

What is SSA? Does it have to do with course difficulty or am I way off?

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:04 pm

SSA = Scratch Scoring Average.

It is a universal system for measuring course difficulty. It is approximately what a 1000 rated golfer would shoot on an average round. The easiest way to figure it is just to look at results from any PDGA tournament.

Most courses that currently get designed are designed for "blue" tees, which represents advanced, or 950 level golf. Gold=pro at 1000, Blue=advanced at 950, White=intermediate at 900, Red=rec at 850. I'm not sure how this translates with all the divisions moving around.

Anyways, course designers are starting to realize that it critical that they identify the division of golfers for whom they are designing for. Thats why courses with multiple color tees are so good, because they are designed for more than one level. Even better, courses are starting to show up with legit par 4's and 5's, which make the game more legitimate, and more fun!

gippy · Post by **gippy** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:41 pm

Alot of our courses up this way have legitimate 4s and 5s which i think is a great idea one of the frist maine courses seems so short to me now,and the newer courses make our players think about their shots more and alot of our 4s and 5s cant be reached in 1 sum 4s you can but it has to be that "shot" and most 5s forget getting a 2 unless you have a 200-300ft shot thats goes in. One course that is like that hear is Sabattus Disc Golf the designers wanted it to be more like ball golf 3s you need a good tee shot and 2 putts 4s and 5s same idea and he did it wonderfully. Glad to hear others are doing the same