Good ol Ebayers...

[jtkustomizer]

If someone has an e-bay account, just log on there and submit a question in the form of a statement that these may be stolen.It will then be on her site.

Are they actually stolen since the go dig them out of the ponds/river.

[jtkustomizer]

I recognize one of jeff rings discs in this auction.....Blue Advanced winner


http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-10-Used-Disc ... 240%3A1318

[Ring]

2 OF THOSE DISCS ARE MINE!! tHE DRAGON 1 TOO!!! wHAT A LITTLE TROLL.. i JUST LOST THAT ADVANCED TROPHY DISC A WEEK AGO

[iqbal]

Let's bid it up then stiff 'em on payment. That should piss them off. I'm the current high bidder, try to outbid me!

[jtkustomizer]

2 OF THOSE DISCS ARE MINE!! tHE DRAGON 1 TOO!!! wHAT A LITTLE TROLL.. i JUST LOST THAT ADVANCED TROPHY DISC A WEEK AGO

Go int the auction and at the bottom of the page hit the report this item and report that the item is stolen.

I did that on one of the other auctions that has one of my discs in it.


Good Idea Iq

[iqbal]

She has 2 other auctions that are ending today, I plan on winning those too.

[jtkustomizer]

She has 2 other auctions that are ending today, I plan on winning those too.

If you must go ahead.

I was gonna see if I win the one with my disc in it if I could just meet in person to pay and pickup my disc.

[Ring]

Yea ...Buy my crap back

[Friz-Rocker]

She has 2 other auctions that are ending today, I plan on winning those too.

Why have I still not received payment?

[scarpfish]

[mrsenortyler]

That sellers name on ebay is lesliewilson05, if you google search Leslie Wilson Wichita, KS.... She is on Facebook.

[jtkustomizer]

Good News Folks


I sent her a message on ebay and this is what I got in return....


"Dear jtkustomizer,

this is what is going on. i cant end the auctions so i guess that i can cancel it after its over if the winning bidder agrees to. i didnt mean to step on nobodys toes and im trying to set things right.


- lesliewilson05"


Whether we get out stuff back or not hopefully she is starting to understand how the disc golf etiquite works. maybe this will teach everybody a lesson and everything will start to work out for everybody.

[scarpfish]

Whether we get out stuff back or not hopefully she is starting to understand how the disc golf etiquite works. maybe this will teach everybody a lesson and everything will start to work out for everybody.

What someone might want to explain to her is that if a disc she finds in a pond, has a name and phone# on it, that said person wrote that on there in hopes that if the disc was ever lost, someone would contact them so they could get it back. That person has more attachment to that disc than some random bidder on eBay, and may very well pay better money for its return.

Are they actually stolen since the go dig them out of the ponds/river.

I've actually been looking into this, and while a lot of us off the top of our heads would probably say that they're not stolen, the law really is not so clear. Here's a wikipedia article for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_misl ... d_property

Lost property - Property is generally deemed to have been lost if it is found in a place where the true owner likely did not intend to set it down, and where it is not likely to be found by the true owner. At common law, the finder of a lost item could claim the right to possess the item against any other person in the world except the true owner.

The underlying policy goals to these distinctions are to (hopefully) see that the property is returned to its true original owner, or "title owner." Most jurisdictions have now enacted statutes requiring that the finder of lost property must turn it in to the proper authorities; if the true owner does not arrive to claim the property within a certain period of time, the property is returned to the finder as his own, or is disposed of.

Mislaid property - Property is generally deemed to have been mislaid (some courts refer to it as misplaced) if it is found in a place where the true owner likely did intend to set it, but then simply forgot to pick it up again. For example, a wallet found in a shop lying on a counter near a cash register will likely be deemed misplaced rather than lost. Under common law principles, the finder of a misplaced object has a duty to turn it over to the owner of the premises, on the theory that the true owner is likely to return to that location to search for his misplaced item.

Abandoned property - Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that the true owner has no intention of returning to claim the item.

And with specific respect to Kansas:

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Cha ... -3703.html

So is a disc lying at the bottom of a pond or stream lost, mislaid or abandoned? Does the length of time its been in there have any bearing on that? Does putting your name and Phone# on it? I'm no lawyer, but it would be interesting to see how something like this would play out in court.

[jtkustomizer]

Whether we get out stuff back or not hopefully she is starting to understand how the disc golf etiquite works. maybe this will teach everybody a lesson and everything will start to work out for everybody.

What someone might want to explain to her is that if a disc she finds in a pond, has a name and phone# on it, that said person wrote that on there in hopes that if the disc was ever lost, someone would contact them so they could get it back. That person has more attachment to that disc than some random bidder on eBay, and may very well pay better money for its return.

Are they actually stolen since the go dig them out of the ponds/river.

I've actually been looking into this, and while a lot of us off the top of our heads would probably say that they're not stolen, the law really is not so clear. Here's a wikipedia article for instance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_misl ... d_property

Lost property - Property is generally deemed to have been lost if it is found in a place where the true owner likely did not intend to set it down, and where it is not likely to be found by the true owner. At common law, the finder of a lost item could claim the right to possess the item against any other person in the world except the true owner.

The underlying policy goals to these distinctions are to (hopefully) see that the property is returned to its true original owner, or "title owner." Most jurisdictions have now enacted statutes requiring that the finder of lost property must turn it in to the proper authorities; if the true owner does not arrive to claim the property within a certain period of time, the property is returned to the finder as his own, or is disposed of.

Mislaid property - Property is generally deemed to have been mislaid (some courts refer to it as misplaced) if it is found in a place where the true owner likely did intend to set it, but then simply forgot to pick it up again. For example, a wallet found in a shop lying on a counter near a cash register will likely be deemed misplaced rather than lost. Under common law principles, the finder of a misplaced object has a duty to turn it over to the owner of the premises, on the theory that the true owner is likely to return to that location to search for his misplaced item.

Abandoned property - Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that the true owner has no intention of returning to claim the item.

And with specific respect to Kansas:

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Cha ... -3703.html

So is a disc lying at the bottom of a pond or stream lost, mislaid or abandoned? Does the length of time its been in there have any bearing on that? Does putting your name and Phone# on it? I'm no lawyer, but it would be interesting to see how something like this would play out in court.

Here is what that law states

Chapter 21: Crimes And Punishments

PART II.--PROHIBITED CONDUCT

Article 37: Crimes Against Property

Statute 21-3703: Theft of lost or mislaid property. Theft of lost or mislaid property is failure to take reasonable measures to restore lost or mislaid property to the lawful owner by a person who has obtained control of such property, who knows or learns the identity of the owner thereof, and who intends to deprive the owner permanently of the possession, use or benefit of the property.


Theft of lost or mislaid property is a class A nonperson misdemeanor.


So if you lost a disc to the water or left it in the fairway(mislaid) and someone finds it such item has your name and number on it and doesnt call or try to return the disc/item they are essentially stealing the disc/item and commiting a Class A nonperson misdemeanor.

[ranmatt]

I talk to this ebayer yesterday, and by the way the person that is saling them is not lesile its her husban. They just share the ebay account and I explain to him if he notified the people who have their name and number on them, most would either reward him for the disc or tell him to keep it.
He said he would get all the discs that have names on them back to the people he can find and in the future would be sure to notifie anyone if he finds their disc. I also told him that if there is no name or number on the disc then its accepeted practice to keep.
This guy is new and didnt realize how other golfers veiwed what he was doing. He figured it was cool and if the poeple who lost there disc didnt want then because they didn't go in after them. After all he is the one out there digging around in the muck to find them.
He understands now and doesn't want to offend anyone and will try making things right.