Thomas's Hardest Holes (Rank'em)

[disc golf superhero]

In this order:
1) 14 (Austin's Fav)
2) 17
3) 4
4) 2
5) 9
6) 11

Doubt there'll be much debate on the 2 hardest. Be interesting to see other opinions.

[one19]

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I agree with your assessment.


Well, actually 14 isn't even a hole.

So I've heard anyway.

It's brought many men to their knees.


17 is also big trouble.

At least in it's current state.

If the 3 big dead pines are taken out, it will make it a much kinder hole.

As is, if you miss that small opening, you are usually screwed.


I find both 8 & 9 to be mindbenders.

Very claustrophobic feeling.

Not hard at all if you execute. Yeah.


Hole 2 made your best dressed list.

This hole has everything, and it aint good.

The tunnel with woods to go into.

An alternative route back towards 15's fairway to get into bigger trouble.

And the permanent swamp that threatens good tunnel shots that have a tail off or skip.

Not to mention the hilltop basket where approach shots can roll back down the hill 50 feet.


I rank Hole 4 among the lowest of the hardest.

But if Austin gets it up to his desired 1000 foot capacity...


I look at how difficult it is to par a particular hole - not birdie it.

Holes that are almost impossible to birdie are sometimes not-so-hard pars.

Not for me of course. I'm your bogey man.


Hole 11 is a hard par even if you clear the drainage canal nicely.


18 can be a hard par as well if you blow your tee shot.

Ditto for Hole 1.



I think 7 & 16 are the easiest.



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[pschmidt]

1) #14 - "Just a luck shot. I don't know why people design courses with trees in the middle of the fairways." -Austin
2) #17 - I heard Coach birdied this once. On his second shot.
3) #11 - Longest hole on the course... 555 ft. No birdies yet. This has to be third.
4) #2 - I've seen many players (including myself) make it through the tunnel next to, or past, the water. I don't think anyone's made the birdie putt yet. Of course, one bad tree and you don't have a shot at par. I think that is what makes this hole tougher than #4.
5) #4 - I know that Austin & I have both birdied this hole. It's a long drive to make that corner, though. Get a good drive down the dike and its wide open for par.
6) #1 - Starting here is tough, especially when the pin's long. Still gives up its share of birdies.
7) #18 - Fairly open but you still have to make the gap. More birdies here than on #1.
8.) #15
9) #12 - I know Sandman birdied this one... over the top.
10-15) #3, #6, #8, #9, #10, #13 - All tunnels. Any are ace-able if you throw the right line.
16) #16 - No aces yet...
17) #5 - Aced. Tournament '09.
18) #7 - Aced. A few times.

Check out the Tomas course map

[disc golf superhero]

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Well, actually 14 isn't even a hole.

So I've heard anyway.

It's brought many men to their knees.

TMI!!! This is NOT something we should advertise here!

[disc golf superhero]

1) #14 - "Just a luck shot. I don't know why people design courses with trees in the middle of the fairways." -Austin (Maybe Austin is who one19's talking about?)
2) #17 - I heard Coach birdied this once. On his second shot. (I heard this rumor.)
3) #11 - Longest hole on the course... 555 ft. No birdies yet. This has to be third. (It's been birdied a few times. I witnessed RB birdie it and I know I've heard a few others have birdied it. Austin & I birdied it in doubles. One of us had a huge drive and the other hit a long putt. I'll let you guess who did what.)
4) #2 - I've seen many players (including myself) make it through the tunnel next to, or past, the water. I don't think anyone's made the birdie putt yet. Of course, one bad tree and you don't have a shot at par. I think that is what makes this hole tougher than #4. (I've heard rumor of Trent birdieing 2)
5) #4 - I know that Austin & I have both birdied this hole. It's a long drive to make that corner, though. Get a good drive down the dike and its wide open for par. (I witnessed RB birdie 4. I think Buzzie did too.)
6) #1 - Starting here is tough, especially when the pin's long. Still gives up its share of birdies.
7) #18 - Fairly open but you still have to make the gap. More birdies here than on #1.
8.) #15
9) #12 - I know Sandman birdied this one... over the top. (Pretty sure I was there for this event...and it didn't happen.)
10-15) #3, #6, #8, #9, #10, #13 - All tunnels. Any are ace-able if you throw the right line.
16) #16 - No aces yet... (Austin hit this one)
17) #5 - Aced. Tournament '09.
18) #7 - Aced. A few times.

Check out the Tomas course map

[one19]

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Well, actually 14 isn't even a hole.

So I've heard anyway.

It's brought many men to their knees.

TMI!!! This is NOT something we should advertise here!

Ha ha ha ha ha -

Good one.


The HIS-TREE of Hole 14 never entered my head...

Umm, my mind...


You know, YOU coulda said "most difficult" holes...

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[pschmidt]

3) #11 - Longest hole on the course... 555 ft. No birdies yet. This has to be third. (It's been birdied a few times. I witnessed RB birdie it and I know I've heard a few others have birdied it. Austin & I birdied it in doubles. One of us had a huge drive and the other hit a long putt. I'll let you guess who did what.)

R/B's THE MAN!!! Too bad for you doubles doesn't count as a birdie.

4) #2 - I've seen many players (including myself) make it through the tunnel next to, or past, the water. I don't think anyone's made the birdie putt yet. Of course, one bad tree and you don't have a shot at par. I think that is what makes this hole tougher than #4. (I've heard rumor of Trent birdieing 2)

I think I remember that. It's no big deal for Trent. He probably does that everyday before & after work, and three times on Sunday.

5) #4 - I know that Austin & I have both birdied this hole. It's a long drive to make that corner, though. Get a good drive down the dike and its wide open for par. (I witnessed RB birdie 4. I think Buzzie did too.)

R/B's THE MAN!!!

9) #12 - I know Sandman birdied this one... over the top. (Pretty sure I was there for this event...and it didn't happen.)

Whatever... so he went over the top and landed within 10 feet of the basket. It's not my fault he can't putt. We need some local players to birdie this one anyway. You throw a roller... Superhero.

16) #16 - No aces yet... (Austin hit this one)

Thumbs down to that.

[nastyNate]

i have to disagree a little here.

1. #14 - takes a perfect placement drive and then a well executed second for the three.
2. #2 - such a long and tight fairway. even if u bail right it is not an easy approach
3. #17 - not as long or tight as 2. may be more intimidating cause u can't see the basket.
4. #4 - long and tucked right. i have not even seen anyone have a look for a 2 on it yet.
5. #1 - really tight line off the tee if u want to bird this one. at the max of the local pro variety of distance
6. #11 - don't get me wrong i love this hole, but it is mainly the distance that is the trick. with the center of the fairway cleaned up there is no reason a pro should not par

most of the rest fall into a similar dificulty range. i actually think 7 is a harder hole than most give it credit for. that is one tricky short hole.

[disc golf superhero]

i have to disagree a little here.

Well you're wrong!

[Austin]

To everything about Phil

1- #14- The alt pin is tucked in the woods on the right side of the opening. Might make this hole harder yet.
2- #17- When trees gone the alt pin is at a sharper angle back into the woods. (watched Tom duece with 2nd throw)
3- #10- I see a lot of people miss the narrow gap left turn (mostly superhero). New pin deeper and slightly left.
4- #2- Love this hole. (Trent has dueced it a couple times.)
5- #9- This hole is on my list at least until we get concrete. Long way to throw a disc straight from a rough tee box.
6- #12- See lots of 3's and no 2's. Alt pin is shorter but tucked tight on the right.

Another thing to consider is the wind. The course as a whole plays harder with a north wind.

[pschmidt]

#9- This hole is on my list at least until we get concrete. Long way to throw a disc straight from a rough tee box.

I can't understan how #9 keeps showing up in people's top five hardest holes. It's straight! Sure, there's the chance of kicking off a tree and ending up with a seven but that's true for all these holes. What about #8? Its the same distance as #9 but the fairway curves and you can't see the basket from the tee. It's hard to believe that you really think that #9 is harder than #1, #4, & #18.

[disc golf superhero]

I can't understan how #9 keeps showing up in people's top five hardest holes. It's straight! Sure, there's the chance of kicking off a tree and ending up with a seven but that's true for all these holes. What about #8? Its the same distance as #9 but the fairway curves and you can't see the basket from the tee. It's hard to believe that you really think that #9 is harder than #1, #4, & #18.

9 sure seems like a lot further then 8. I think it's cause it's a lot easier to "S" a Rock around the winding fairway on 8 then it is to throw a Buzz straight as an arrow down the pipe on 9. I use an old straight flying driver on 9 cause when I try to crank a midrange that straight and far I miss the line. And the overwhelming census about Thomas is you don't miss your line! I know I bogey +++ 9 a lot more then I bogey 1 or 18. I've taken a six on 9. Never taken anything more then a bogey or 1 or 18.

And Austin's right. I do miss the narrow gap left turn on 10 a lot too! Stuped hole 10!!!

[Schoen-hopper]

What do the scores from the scorecards at league suggest?

Take scoring data from the 950-1000 rated golfers over a few events. Then you could order (rank) your hole difficulty and even assign a handicap number to each, like in (ball) golf.

What is the SSA, or 1000 rated round on average conditions there? Is it around 57? You could call 14, 17, 2 par 4's. That would change the handicap ranking, but would add some credibility to the course in my opinion. Make some snazzy scorecards for it with distances & hole handicaps.

[Austin]

It's hard to believe that you really think that #9 is harder than #1, #4, & #18.

Well, I am sorry you have trouble with the truth.

Hole 1 and 18 are up and down pars. Both holes can be birdied. Nate says it best "at the max of the local pro variety of distance." Hole 4 is a tough hole but I strugle for par on hole 9 way more than I do on hole 4. Who knows, when we get concrete it might change everything.

What do the scores from the scorecards at league suggest?

We don't do cards for doubles. Randy has cards for singles league so there will be a good amount of data before long.

Take scoring data from the 950-1000 rated golfers over a few events. Then you could order (rank) your hole difficulty and even assign a handicap number to each, like in (ball) golf.

What is the SSA, or 1000 rated round on average conditions there? Is it around 57? You could call 14, 17, 2 par 4's. That would change the handicap ranking, but would add some credibility to the course in my opinion. Make some snazzy scorecards for it with distances & hole handicaps.

I throw plastic at chains.

[disc golf superhero]

What do the scores from the scorecards at league suggest?

Take scoring data from the 950-1000 rated golfers over a few events. Then you could order (rank) your hole difficulty and even assign a handicap number to each, like in (ball) golf.

What is the SSA, or 1000 rated round on average conditions there? Is it around 57? You could call 14, 17, 2 par 4's. That would change the handicap ranking, but would add some credibility to the course in my opinion. Make some snazzy scorecards for it with distances & hole handicaps.

Science would negate this personal opinion discussion. And what fun would that be?! Now feel free to offer your personal opinion.