casual water, disc carries

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:39 pm

If there is a small, shallow stream (usually dry) going through a fairway. The TD declares ahead of time that it is casual water. What would you do in the following situation:

Player tees off. The disc lands in the stream. By the time the players make it to the disc, it has been carried by water and has come to rest in the water 30 feet downstream, still in bounds.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:16 pm

As soon as the water was moving the disc, it was no longer under its own power.

You would mark the disc no closer to the hole, and play it as normal casual water.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:42 pm

This happened to Nate at the DU Open.

Question is how do you mark it if it floated downstream before you could get to it? An approximation agreed to by the majority?

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:35 pm

I agree.

You and I were on that card when it happened. I did send the pdga rules guy the same question, curious of the official response.

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:06 pm

At Herrington and Octoberfriz,I`ve seen drives enter casual water out of the players line of sight,both times the discs washed into river and streams disappearing.The player in Herrington was ruled O.B.

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:24 am

What Smitty said.

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:07 am

I think we made the right call @ Herrington, bringing it back to an appx lie.

nastyNate · Post by **nastyNate** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:59 am

i played from where it ended up

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:14 pm

Nate, you sucker!

nastyNate · Post by **nastyNate** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:14 pm

i know, i am so gullible!

ronconversjr · Post by **ronconversjr** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:40 pm

Ruder wrote:What Smitty said.

of course!

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:30 am

Here's the PDGA stance on this question:

"Dear Ryan,

Thanks for writing!

Absent of any "special conditions" coverage by the TD, one would play it
where it lies.

Yours Sincerely;

Carlton Howard
PDGA Rules Committee Chairman"

beisner · Post by **beisner** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:38 am

This seems to conflict that stance:

803.03F
A disc thrown in water shall be deemed to be at rest once it is
floating or is moving only by the action of the water or the wind on the
water.

ronconversjr · Post by **ronconversjr** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:14 pm

what if it continued to be moved by the water-if you stopped it would you be impeding it`s "motion"?(803.07)I`m of the opinion that this should be reconsidered.Somewhere Iread (803.03 f)that it was dead once it was moving only by the force of the water.My question would be if the group could not see the disc enter the water...is this a re-tee? It is not lost .It is not ob.By the answer you recieved if it does`nt stop, it is still in play .That is just wrong.please ask for clarification -maybe the question was misunderstood.Where does the player shoot from 1.)old rule was group consensus last seen.As it is not "lost" does this apply? is it addressed anywhere else in the book?Unless" approximate lie" definition is stretched or 803.01 section 5 is used to replay the hole I see a player getting penalized because this was not covered by the T.D.as a special condition. after note! Ryan did specifyTHAT HAS COME TO REST. what if this is not the case?

gippy · Post by **gippy** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:09 pm

If it can't be seen when it enters the water, then i say it should be played where it is found. If the water isn't OB and the disc gets carried down stream some take it from where you find it, and play it where it lies.Unless TD clarifyes otherwise before hand

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