Derby Course

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:56 pm

I may be old school,but how we did it in the old days was we started at 5:00 pm sharp this time of year.Foursomes are anti-social and discourage the fun aspect of the game.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:01 pm

Back then, daylight savings didn't start until April. Many people can't get there from work by that time. If you want to play six-somes, no one can complain about finishing in the dark. I'm sure people have things to do after league. I know I do.

2 · Post by 2 » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:42 am

Here's a hint; make sure YOU sign up first and pay your 5 dollars!! Lol Your doing a great job Mike, keep up the good work........ At least your not running off or moving with club disc/money!! .............................yet!!

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:02 pm

Here are some notes and questions from our league tonight at Derby.

Those north winds were absolutely killer. I saw at least 7 discs go in the water (not to be retrieved), just in our group. Most of these shots were by pros.

There is some uncertain OB on this course. We need to get this settled. Here's what I'm thinking...

Hole 1: no OB

Hole 2: no OB

Hole 3: in creek is OB. Water by the basket is casual.

Hole 4: in creek or in or across the road.

Hole 5: in pond or in yards. The yard line is determined by the sod. This is difficult to tell farther down the hole and it is going to become more so. We should get some sort of reference.

Hole 6: in pond or in or across the road. The road is pretty difficult to determine. It is a gradual transition from dirt to asphalt.

Hole 7: in pond or across the pond is OB? Across the barbed wire onto 18 is safe?

Hole 8: this one should clarify hole 7. On this hole, we need to mark a line running north and south that runs about 50 feet east of the basket. We don't want to play in the backyards. I talked to a guy living in one of the homes who actually comes out to play the course and he said Bill and Marcus designed it so that the property line would be the OB line. In one back yard a metal fence defines this line. In another yard, there is no fence, but you can see a pole in the far distance that could loosely define the line. I saw shots end up OVER the pond on both 7 and 8, so it is an important question.

As far as the road goes and on the other side of the barbed wire, that is 9's fairway, so I don't know how you could call it OB. Do you draw a line perpendicular to where the barbed wire ends and call that another OB line? These holes are brutal. Lose a disc or throw into the hedge. I think the fence needs to come out and as much of the trees trimmed as possible (which is probably not feasable) to the east.

Hole 9: across the fence on either side is not OB? The only thing bad about this hole is that the trees will either give you good kicks or bad kicks and you really don't know what you'll get. If you call across the fence OB, you have to take your shot right next to the barbed wire again and you are still in the hedge. Could easily get a 7 vs. a 3 based on how the trees treat you. Still a cool hole though. There were 2 3's on it tonight.

The other thing the course needs right now is a bridge on 3. If you didn't walk all the way around to the road, you were taking a chance on busting your butt trying to jump that thing. The water runs through there pretty good for a while after a rain.

discscout · Post by **discscout** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:48 pm

if you want to take the barbed wire down along 7,8,9; then I'd say go ahead. Haul off what you take down and do a good job without leaving trip hazards or small pieces left on the ground.

jtkustomizer · Post by **jtkustomizer** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:59 pm

discscout wrote:if you want to take the barbed wire down along 7,8,9; then I'd say go ahead. Haul off what you take down and do a good job without leaving trip hazards or small pieces left on the ground.

Sounds Good to me. Does anybody want to go do this tomorrow and then play a round afterwards.....or can we have a league there.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:39 pm

That'd be a tough job, that is for sure. I'm wondering if it defines OB on any or all of the holes. If we could just take it out, I'm guessing not.

disclizard · Post by **disclizard** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:41 pm

I like the idea of takeing down the fence. I dont like the idea of making it in bounds though if you go past the middle of the tree line . just like in ball golf . most good courses have some kind of dividing line between fairways that is OB if you end up in the other fair ways rough. there is nothing wronge with forceing people to keep there discs in bounds and penalizing them with an OB drop if they don't . the worst that could happen is they would improve their SMART game.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:44 pm

I know that I have little to no word on what you do at that course or with that fence.

Here are my thoughts.
There is no need for an OB. If you cross the line you are screwed enough. The fairway on both of the water holes is thin enough!

I don't like the fact that both of those holes are basically the same. I would hate to be a lefty or a flicker on them.

I don't know if you could play hole 7. Play 9 Backwards as 8. Then play 8 backwards as 9? It would sure make the course more righty lefty neutral.

jtkustomizer · Post by **jtkustomizer** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:55 pm

smitty wrote:I know that I have little to no word on what you do at that course or with that fence.

Here are my thoughts.
There is no need for an OB. If you cross the line you are screwed enough. The fairway on both of the water holes is thin enough!

I don't like the fact that both of those holes are basically the same. I would hate to be a lefty or a flicker on them.

I don't know if you could play hole 7. Play 9 Backwards as 8. Then play 8 backwards as 9? It would sure make the course more righty lefty neutral.

Very Good thoughts Smitty

7 and 8 are Identical shots maybe just different lengths.

Hopefully this isnt the permanent layout for the course and when the other 9 get approved things will change for the better.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:37 pm

The idea was to combine 7 and 8. Maybe shorten the tee a little. I think this would be insano (way too hard). Its cool to have the water shots. They are challenging even when it is calm. If you aren't pro or at least righty, though....

disclizard · Post by **disclizard** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:37 pm

I don't like the fact that both of those holes are basically the same. I would hate to be a lefty or a flicker on them.

I don't know if you could play hole 7. Play 9 Backwards as 8. Then play 8 backwards as 9? It would sure make the course more righty lefty neutral.

I like this idea also. but that would leave us haveing to walk through either 8 or 7 to get back to the parking lot after. I do have to admit that the holes buy the water are the worst hole on the course. if it was just one of them it would be alright , but I go out there with a friend who flicks and he clearly voices that it is very unfair to him being that there is no shot out there that punishes the back hand throw as bad as the flick and they get punished twice in a row.

I hope that after the rest of the holes are cleared out that we can get rid of one of them and also make it more even for the lefty and flickers.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:45 pm

I don't think that they are bad holes. I just think that they are the same hole. They are not to hard for me. I just throw a tall hyzer and smash into the trees pin high. For a person wno can only throw 300 they are very hard.

disclizard · Post by **disclizard** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:52 pm

Ok "bad" isn't the right word. They are unfair holes. the reason they are unfair is because they are alike. and both will punish any throw that isn't PERFECT for the lefty and flick thrower. If on of those holes punished the back hand thrower in the same way then it would make both holes fair. .. That was just my oppinion. did it make sence?lol

discscout · Post by **discscout** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:30 pm

This is a temporary situation until the final clearing in the park is finished. However, there is talk about making some changes before summer. One idea is to eliminate 6 basket and play to 7 and then eliminate 8 basket and make 9 shorter for the time being. Then add two of the other planned holes west-south west of the parking lot. The other idea is to eliminate 7,8, & 9 and possibly 5 for now and put them in the other part of the park that has been cleared. The point is, if the park had been ready for 18 holes, you would not have seen 7 and 8 in the current configuration. The plan is to have 6 longer and 7 & 8 as one hole. Brutal holes, I would agree but that is all dependent on what happens with the clearing and subject to change.