KDGA Finals Nov. 15

[smitty]

Location: Woods Park, Wellington

Time: 10:00 Start time.

Format: Buddy Match-Play

***Also for the first time, we will be running a normal event for anyone who wants to play and isn't qualified for the Match-Play Finals.

Fees:
Buddy Match-Play is free to all qualified players.
Wellington Tourney:
Open: $30
Advanced $25
Am $20
Jr $15


This is the day after the KDGA awards banquet. All KDGA members get a free meal at the banquet. At this time it is looking like it is possibly going to be at the Fox and Hound in Wichita. It will start as soon as possible after the Round-Up.

[smitty]

Who is in before the Anthony event:


Open
1 Chris Smith 1014
2 Crispin Carrasco 1004
3 Leo Deprato 833
4 Tracy Ruder 759
5 Nathan Martin 689
6 Brandon Nelson 648


Masters
1 Randy Brown 742
2 Tom Vierthaler 492
3 Mark Martin 486
4 Darren Bottom 414


Grandmasters
1 Harvey Barger 333
2 Buddy Kassner 321
3 Dave Richardson 301

Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 783
2 Bo Carrasco 684
3 Zach Young 633
4 Andy Lynn 530
5 Brady Younger 453
6 Phil Schmidt 421
7 Adam Mosher 405
8 Tyler Patzner 404
9 Jeremy Rusco 391


Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 562
2 Jason Adkins 497
3 Chris Tyler 294
4 Mike Junod 261
5 Jeremy Kindy 222
6 Don Zimmerman 207
7 James Fawcett 183
8 Lars Nordgren 173
9 Lloyd Majors 162
10 Josh Luinstra 158
11 Jerry Powell 139
12 Scott Miller 127
13 Neil Killian 119

Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 262
2 Tom Thompson 230
3 Tom Osborn 208
4 Dave Wismer 143


Women
1 Robin Reimer 241
2 Miranda Fulton 101

Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 111

Ryan Beisner is the top AM points earner from Region 5 so he gets a spot.
Banger Bob and Mace are tied with 16 events for the Frizz-Rocker spot.


To me it looks like Austin, Scott Haynes, and Brian Numara could still play their way into the finals. Many places should and will change over the next 3 events.

[smitty]

Don't forget Anthony is double points. That could go along ways on a quest for the finals.

[smitty]

Points after Anthony:

Open
1 Crispin Carrasco 1044
1 Chris Smith 1044
3 Leo Deprato 833
4 Tracy Ruder 759
5 Nathan Martin 689
6 Brandon Nelson 648
7 Austin Streit 628
8 Ron Convers 573
9 Brendan Hickman 529
10 Kevin Babbit 409
11 Kevin Kaiser 406
12 Jeff Ring 313
13 Michael Schoenhofer 311
14 Shan Mann 298
15 Chris Jones 272
16 Iqbal Jehan 272
17 Ryan Orton 228
18 Ron Unruh 210
.
Masters
1 Randy Brown 742
2 Tom Vierthaler 514
3 Mark Martin 486
4 Darren Bottom 440
5 Don Mordecai 318
6 Bryan Guthrie 274
7 Randy Mattingly 266
8 Tracy Walker 97
9 Jeff Owsley 42
10 Kyle Klinger 35
11 Richard Holmgren 32
.
Grandmasters
1 Harvey Barger 366
2 Buddy Kassner 341
3 Dave Richardson 301
4 Terry Burley 271
5 Dennis Vahsholtz 251
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 145
7 Bill Paulson 116
8 Bart Patton 45
.
Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 819
2 Bo Carrasco 717
3 Zach Young 633
4 Andy Lynn 530
5 Brady Younger 453
6 Phil Schmidt 421
7 Adam Mosher 405
8 Tyler Patzner 404
9 Jeremy Rusco 391
10 Scott Haynes 37
11 Shane Crisler 355
12 Brandon Mace 343
13 Kyle Roadcap 273
14 Bob Hardister 269
15 Nils Nordgren 245
16 Trent Martin 215
17 Kelly Williams 170
18 Ryan Beisner 132
19 Chris Affholder 109
20 Dustin Widener 109
21 Peter Mohr 87
22 Ross Schweitzer 56
23 Josh Hull 47
24 Bren Nordgren 44
25 Billie Cabral 35
26 Nick Newell 34
27 Kevin Lambdin 24
28 Zach Schweitzer 15
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 586
2 Jason Adkins 507
3 Chris Tyler 294
4 Mike Junod 261
5 Jeremy Kindy 228
6 Don Zimmerman 207
7 James Fawcett 183
8 Lars Nordgren 173
9 Lloyd Majors 162
10 Josh Luinstra 158
11 Jerry Powell 139
12 Scott Miller 127
13 Neil Killian 119
14 Brian Nomura 113
15 Dan Decker 106
16 Shawn Jiminez 97
17 Casey Fluty 99
18 Scott Carpenter 90
19 Jarod Weins 57
20 Kurt Meier 57
21 Tyler Smith 48
22 Jacob Trimbath 48
23 Tyson Jones 43
24 John Moloney 34
25 Dave Caldwell 30
26 Thomas Sowersby 30
27 Phillip Gugler 27
28 Tony Blair 19
29 Ryan Langton 19
30 Charles Marin 11
31 Bryan Tracy 10
32 Bill Baugh 4
33 John Danley 3
34 Todd Allison 0
35 Scott Faga 0
36 Zack Owens 0
37 Jose Artiaga 0
38 James Boyd 0
39 Gary Chrissman 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 262
2 Tom Thompson 230
3 Tom Osborn 208
4 Dave Wismer 143
5 Robert Decker 102
6 Charles Dickinson 70
7 Thad Pultz 52
8 Harvey Wall 42
9 Doc Norby 35
10 Brian Shields 34
11 Terry Ison 11
.
Women
1 Robin Reimer 241
2 Miranda Fulton 101
3 Kile Byington 59
4 Deb Imel 37
5 Tracy Johnson 30
6 Stacy Smith 6
7 Jamelle Zablan 1
.
Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 111
2 John Mosher 60
3 Plamen Iantchev 54
4 Robert Danley 20
.
126 members

Would be in if the season was over today.
Top Am point scorer from a region with no qualified players.
Current Frizz Rocker Clause.
Could play their way into the finals based on points. They may need some help from people ahead of them not showing, and they would need to play well.
Could still make it in as a last chance qualifier at one of the last 2 events.

[Muddy96]

Are we playing the normal 18 holes or are you setting it up with alternates like it was at the Wellington tournament in the past?

[smitty]

Open
1 Chris Smith 1080
2 Crispin Carrasco 1078
3 Leo Deprato 833
4 Tracy Ruder 790
5 Nathan Martin 689
6 Austin Streit 663
7 Brandon Nelson 648
8 Ron Convers 573
9 Brendan Hickman 567
10 Kevin Babbit 409
11 Kevin Kaiser 406
12 Jeff Ring 331
13 Michael Schoenhofer 327
14 Chris Jones 311
15 Shan Mann 298
16 Ron Unruh 247
17 Ryan Orton 228
.
Masters
1 Randy Brown 770
2 Tom Vierthaler 529
3 Mark Martin 511
4 Darren Bottom 459
5 Don Mordecai 318
6 Bryan Guthrie 302
7 Iqbal Jehan 300
8 Randy Mattingly 266
9 Tracy Walker 97
10 Kyle Klinger 58
11 Richard Holmgren 53
12 Jeff Owsley 42
.
Grandmasters
1 Harvey Barger 390
2 Dave Richardson 334
3 Buddy Kassner 332
4 Terry Burley 271
5 Dennis Vahsholtz 251
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 145
7 Bill Paulson 116
8 Bart Patton 54
.
Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 859
2 Bo Carrasco 751
3 Zach Young 633
4 Andy Lynn 551
5 Brady Younger 466
6 Phil Schmidt 452
7 Adam Mosher 436
8 Jeremy Rusco 417
9 Tyler Patzner 404
10 Scott Haynes 394
11 Shane Crisler 355
12 Brandon Mace 353
13 Kyle Roadcap 273
14 Bob Hardister 269
15 Nils Nordgren 245
16 Trent Martin 215
17 Kelly Williams 170
18 Ryan Beisner 132
19 Chris Affholder 123
20 Dustin Widener 109
21 Peter Mohr 87
22 Ross Schweitzer 56
23 Josh Hull 47
24 Bren Nordgren 44
25 Billie Cabral 42
26 Nick Newell 34
27 Kevin Lambdin 24
28 Zach Schweitzer 15
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 586
2 Jason Adkins 528
3 Chris Tyler 294
4 Mike Junod 261
5 Jeremy Kindy 228
6 Don Zimmerman 207
7 James Fawcett 183
8 Lars Nordgren 173
9 Lloyd Majors 162
10 Josh Luinstra 158
11 Jerry Powell 139
12 Scott Miller 127
13 Neil Killian 119
14 Brian Nomura 113
15 Casey Fluty 107
16 Dan Decker 106
17 Shawn Jiminez 97
18 Scott Carpenter 90
19 Jarod Weins 57
20 Kurt Meier 57
21 Tyler Smith 48
22 Jacob Trimbath 48
23 Tyson Jones 43
24 John Moloney 34
25 Dave Caldwell 30
26 Phillip Gugler 31
27 Thomas Sowersby 30
28 Tony Blair 20
29 Ryan Langton 19
30 Charles Marin 11
31 Bryan Tracy 10
32 Bill Baugh 4
33 John Danley 3
34 Todd Allison 0
35 Scott Faga 0
36 Zack Owens 0
37 Jose Artiaga 0
38 James Boyd 0
39 Gary Chrissman 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 262
2 Tom Thompson 230
3 Tom Osborn 214
4 Dave Wismer 143
5 Robert Decker 102
6 Charles Dickinson 70
7 Thad Pultz 52
8 Harvey Wall 45
9 Brian Shields 39
10 Doc Norby 35
11 Terry Ison 11
.
Women
1 Robin Reimer 241
2 Miranda Fulton 101
3 Kile Byington 59
4 Deb Imel 37
5 Tracy Johnson 32
6 Stacy Smith 6
7 Jamelle Zablan 1
.
Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 111
2 John Mosher 60
3 Plamen Iantchev 54
4 Robert Danley 20
.
126 members

Points are through 41 of 42 events. Through Salina, Elks CC, 11-7-09.

Here is some information concerning the qualification system ($50 free entry) into Wellington Match Play Finals.

One event to go coming up at the Round Up next Saturday. Like the Elks, it will be a qualifier for the finals next Sunday. The top finisher from each division from those whose names are not currently in red (current top third) are able to win a tournament qualifier spot. These names are in green from the Elks.

The current top third players are listed in red. There are a few divisions where the bottom spot could be lost if this person doesn't show up to play the Round Up and the player immediately below them does play.

The top pro and top am of each region will be qualified. Listed in blue, the only regional qualifier who isn't already in the top third is Ryan Beisner.

Tied at 17 events each, Brandon Mace & Bob Hardister (orange) are tied for the last chance Friz-Rocker clause which states that the player who isn't qualified by any of the above who has played the most events will be qualified. If Mace & Bob both play the Round Up, however, they'll both get in.

The current top 3 points earners in each division are in bold. Most of these spots look firmly set. One battle still going is Buddy/Rich for 2nd & 3rd in Grandmasters. And of course the biggest battle is for 1st place in the Open division with Crispin trailing Smitty by a mere 2 points!

Please if you know/see any of the people who are qualified, let them know. We want as many of them to play as we can get.



Jerry, we will be playing the normal course in Wellington. The holes are short enough that people can 2 them, and tough enough that people will 4 them.

[smitty]

If you plan on playing, you need to be checked in by 9:00. This will give us time to organize the match-ups and get things organized.

Format:

Buddy Kassner a long time KDGA supporter has proposed a new format for the 2008 finals. I will highlight a few of the details and explain how the format will work.

First let me give a few benefits of the proposed format. It will be much faster. The participants will have zero down time. You will get to play matches against nearly all the people in the finals in you division, in some cases you will play all the participants in your division. You are guaranteed 36 holes of golf, and will not be eliminated at any point. The brackets that were drawn up in the past never seemed to work out right in the first place.

I think the format does have a few drawbacks, but they are far outweighed by the benefits. First, there is little to no spectating involved. Many times in the past an Am group may have played along side a Pro group, with this format that is not an option.

Format:
Players will be randomly seeded before the start of the first round. This neglects any intentional pairings or hole assignments. Groups with 6 or fewer people will play on one card each round. Groups with 7 – 10 players will play on 2 cards, and 3 cards for up to 14 players. All matches will be predetermined by seed number on the scorecard. Play is a shotgun start for everyone, each 6 holes is a 1 vs. 1 match play. After each 6 holes a new match will begin. Playing this fashion will allow 3 matches to take place over 18 holes. Everyone will play 6 matches during the day.


Points are a scored in the following manner:
1 point for winning a match.
1 / 2 point for splitting a match.

Total points won determines the final standings.

In the event of a tie:
Head to Head is the first tie breaker.
Total Holes won for the day is the 2nd tie breaker.
Total birdies is the 3rd tie breaker.


Groups of 3-4 players.

Round 1:
Match 1----------Match 2----------------Match 3
1 vs 2------------1 vs 3-----------------1 vs 4(x)
3 vs 4(x)---------2 vs 4(x)---------------2 vs 3

Round 2 would be an exact repeat of round 1.


Groups of 5 or 6 players all on 1 card.

Round 1
Match 1--------------------Match 2--------------------Match 3
1 vs 2---------------------1 vs 5 -----------------------1 vs 3
3 vs 4---------------------- 2 vs 3--------------------- 2 vs 6 (x)
5 vs 6 (x)----------------- 4 vs 6 (x)------------------4 vs 5


Round 2
Match 1------------------------Match 2-------------Match 3
1 vs 6(x)-----------------------1 vs 4---------------1 vs 2
2 vs 4 -------------------------2 vs 5----------------3 vs 4
3 vs 5 -------------------------3 vs 6 (x)------------5 vs 6 (x)

After 5 matches (30 holes) total all points won and seed 1 -6 using all tie breakers if needed. Play the final 6 holes using the new pairings. Total final points for final standings.




Groups of 7 – 8

2 cards using random seeding.

Card 1
Match 1--------------Match 2------------Match 3
1 vs 2---------------1 vs 3---------------1 vs 4
3 vs 4---------------2 vs 4----------------2 vs 3


Card 2
Match 1-------------Match 2---------------Match 3
5 vs 6---------------5 vs 7-----------------5 vs 8(x)
7 vs 8(x)------------6 vs 8(x)--------------6 vs 7

Total all points won after round 1 using tie breakers if needed. Top 2 players from each form card 1 Bottom 1 or 2 players on each card form card 2. Reseed by pts won and repeat final parings.

Total all points won for the final standings.


9 – 10 players 2 cards random seeding
Card 1
Match 1--------------Match 2-------------Match 3
1 vs 2---------------1 vs 3---------------1 vs 4
3 vs 4----------------2 vs 4---------------2 vs 3

Card 2
Match 1------------Match 2-------------Match 3
5 vs 6---------------5 vs 7--------------5 vs 8
7 vs 8---------------6 vs 9--------------7 vs 9
9 vs 10(x)----------8 vs 10 (x)--------6 vs 10 (x)

Total points won after first round. Top 2 from each card form card 1 and are seeded by points. If 9 total players, card 2 seeds must be placed so no player is matched against x a second time. Total all points won using tie breaks to determine the final standings.


11-12 players
3 cards seeded randomly the same as 7 – 8 player format with a 3rd card. Total points won after round 1 and reseed top player from each card, plus next best from card 1 for the second round. If 11 players in group, the remaining players from card 3 are on card 2 in second round, so nobody plays (x) twice. Total points won after second round total points won determines the place.

[DUH]

So, have you heard if Robin is going to play? I know she's been really busy lately.
If she's not playing, will I play against Kile? How does that work?
I probably will be there anyway, just because I haven't played in so long, I'm having withdrawals & I'll probably need some stress relief after the Round-Up.

[Jones]

Just wanted to know if i was qualified since my name was in green thx Jones

[Schoen-hopper]

Yep, didn't get it announced because we didn't realize how low your score was at the Elks.

[smitty]

Bullet dodged! The way the day started, I thought we were going to have one of the most miserable days in disc golf history. 5 holes into the round the rain stopped and it was actually pretty nice for the middle of November.

The Buddy format worked out well. The only problem was we had several people get to the course minutes before we wanted to start. The Open field only had 7 players and we should have went 7 rounds of 5 all on one card, but we ended up playing some matches twice. Also some of the Ams and Advanced players had rematches. Next year, we will have a cut off to check-in and more people will understand the format. More know how will equal more help. Things will roll much better.

I still felt like the format and the event were a success. It is for sure something that we need to do for the next few years. The more time we spend with it, the better it will get.

Results:


Open:
1st Crispin (19 Birdies on the day)
2nd Ruder (Beat Smitty on Birdies, third tie breaker)
3rd Smitty
4th Austin
5th Ron
6th Hickman
7th Jones

Masters:
1st Randy Brown
2nd DM4
3rd Mark Martin
4th Bottom

Grand Masters:
1st Harvey
2nd Rich
3rd Buddy
4th Bart

Advanced:
1st Maceman!!!!!
2nd Wiggins
3rd Brady
4th Peter
5th Tie after all tie breakers!!
-Andy
-Patzner
6th Bo
7th Rusco
8th Mosher
9th Scott
10th Banger
11th Phil S

Advanced Masters:
1st Coach
2nd Bob
3rd Kline
4th Tom Thompson

Am:
1st Sweet Phil from Sugar Hill
2nd Adkins
3rd Jerry
4th Junod
5th Kindy
6th Lloyd
7th Go Ped
8th Dan
9th Fluty
10th Don Zizzle


Side Tourney:

Open:
Slim 107
Billy Nelson 111

Am:
Samson 121
James 122
Don Moore 122

Jr:
1st Austin
2nd Hooper
3rd Dylan

[Ruder]

Sorry about the late arrival, it was a long weekend, but fun nonetheless.

Hope everyone got home safe, the interstate got pretty hairy for us right around Bunker Hill, was driving about 35 mph for 15 minutes or so.

[Schoen-hopper]

Wow, huge showing considering the weather. Way to go Mace!

[str8]

Maceman gets in by the Friz-rocker clause, and cleans up! Time to move up Mace!

Congrats Mace, long overdue!

[W]

You'd be crazy-amazed if you saw Mace just a handful of hours earlier...practically passed out (standing up) in da club! He's gotta be one of the most hardcore people I know, yo! Congrats B!