2011 Oz Tour Points Update

[smitty]

The regional qualifiers that aren't currently in the top third are Phil Schmidt, Jason Snodgrass, & Tom Thompson.

Looks to me like these are the people who scooped up the last chance qualifier spots.

Open: Nate Martin
Masters: Iqbal
Grand Masters: Harvey
Advanced: Phil Schmidt
Am Masters: Dale Bare
Am 2: Scott Donaldson

So, I'm in right? I think Mosher would get the regional qualifier for Region 3.

Mike is correct, you are the top Am player from your region. You will get in based on that. Mosher isn't in and would need to qualify at Round-Up to get in the finals.

[jnotty]

Don't I qualify for being top in the northeast quadrant??????
Hesting

Where's the info on the finals anyway??

The Kanoli will represent Region 2 as the top Pro player. He is sitting in 2nd overall in the points.


You will just need to qualify at the Round-Up.

So I played 14 KDGA events this year, and come up short.
I was super excited to finally get to play in this thing.
Yeah I couldn't make all the triple points events because of conflicting obligations on those weekends, but I did play 3 tournaments that hardly any KDGA players showed up for (Capital City Classic, Pittsburg, Abilene). So going to those wasn't worth my time. No Offense to the tournaments, they were fun. But all the travelling from KC, which is not that close to 80% of the tour, did me no good.

I am trying not to be pissed off, but I played nearly half the tour (just not the right ones), and finished well in most of those. Now I got to drive another 3 hours to play 1 day in hopes that I qualify, when there is likely no chance ....since Bo lives in Wichita and has a 100 points on me.

Bummer

[pschmidt]

Mike is correct, you are the top Am player from your region. You will get in based on that. Mosher isn't in and would need to qualify at Round-Up to get in the finals.

Huh... I still don't understand but I will take your word on it. Keep up the good work Shoen-hopper!

[Schoen-hopper]

Joe, I understand what you mean. See my previous post. We did understand that many players wouldn't be able to play that many events, so that's why we made the double and triple points events. If you and Bo both play the doubles event and Round Up, you could probably both get in on the Friz Rocker clause. But if you just play Round Up, Mace will probably get it alone. But the top finishing non-qualified pro (and every other division) at Round Up will get an automatic bid. Doesn't matter what the points totals are, just how you finish at the Round Up.

Phil, the automatic bids are figured after the top third and regional qualifiers, who are not eligible to get the spot. Since you were the top am from region 3, you were not eligible to get the automatic tourney bid.

[smitty]

Mike is correct, you are the top Am player from your region. You will get in based on that. Mosher isn't in and would need to qualify at Round-Up to get in the finals.

Huh... I still don't understand but I will take your word on it. Keep up the good work Shoen-hopper!

You have almost 100 more points then Adam. You point total is the highest of any AM in Region 3. That gives you the Automatic spot based on region. There were no Advanced players that were not qualified who played the Good Life event.

The ways to qualify are:

Top Pro or Am in each Region. (Top 1/3 or not)
Top 1/3
Last Chance Qualifier
Frizz-Rocker

If Mace would qualify at Round-Up as a LCQ then the Frizz-Rocker would go to the next most events and not qualified.



Interesting facts:

Regional Qualifiers and top 1/3 are pretty much set in every division. Then only exception would maybe be Am Men. and Women. These races are close enough that spots the bottom spots could easily change.

If Bo plays Newton and Round-Up and Mace plays only 1, they could tie for Frizz-Rocker. Tommy Thompson may be the same as Bo, not 100% sure.

If Duh would sign-up for KDGA at Round-Up, and was the only women besides Mel, she could play in the finals. Unless Tracy or Mom showed up and then the winner of those three would get in. If Duh didn't play and Tracy or Mom did, they would be into the finals.

[smitty]

Update through Salina: Great Life Golf Club: 10/22/11

Blue = Top Pro and Am for each Region.
Red = Current Top Third.
Green = Automatic Tournament Qualifier.
Orange = Friz Rocker.

Open
1 Ron Convers 1229
2 Crispin Carrasco 1010
3 Phil Jackson 927
4 Austin Streit 914
5 Brandon Nelson 877
6 Chris Smith 834
7 Tracy Ruder 786
8 Ben Wiggins 759
9 Bo Carrasco 667
10 Joe Hesting 568
11 Brendan Hickman 524
12 Ronnie Unruh 489
13 Nate Martin 482
14 Ben Maass 320
15 Shan Mann 295
16 Chris Jones 292
17 Jeff Ring 288
18 Jeremy Rusco 268
19 Leo Deprato 245
20 Eric McCabe 219
21 Scott Reek 177
22 Michael Schoenhofer 107
23 Nils Nordgren 37
24 Bren Nordgren 10
.
Masters
1 Jared Kintzel 1030
2 Curtis Broadhurst 914
3 Randy Brown 784
4 Darren Bottom 542
5 Don Mordecai 431
6 Mike Speer 381
7 Danny Knox 367
8 Tom Vierthaler 342
9 Brandon Mace 331
10 Iqbal Jehan 256
11 Richard Holmgren 200
12 Jackie Massell 192
13 Mark Salada 187
14 Gary Harvey 163
15 Hal Kurz 0
16 Kyle Klinger 0
.
Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 259
2 Buddy Kassner 230
3 Kevin Rorabaugh 225
4 Harvey Barger 145
5 Terry Burley 143
6 Dave Richardson 120
7 Bill Paulson 109
8 Bruce Hudson 101
.
Advanced Am.
1 J.D. Wyatt 586
2 Jason Adkins 537
3 Jeff Vest 506
4 Scott Haynes 480
5 Casey Fluty 457
6 Brandon Tull 439
7 Phil Schmidt 419
8 Jason Snodgrass 376
9 Cort Hughes 347
10 Tyler Patzner 328
11 Steven Deere 317
12 Adam Mosher 306
13 Andy Lyne 207
14 Seth Toepfer 105
15 Kevin Lambdin 49
16 Tom Graham 3
17 Dan Decker 0
18 Adam Searle 0
19 Trent Martin 0
.
Amateur
1 Don Zimmerman 296
2 Loyd Majors 229
3 Taylor Camp 201
4 Jeremy Kindy 196
5 Branden Rusk 182
6 Russ Trice 165
7 Kevin Elrod 132
8 Kyle Kuhn 127
9 Jason Childre 121
10 Jacob Rothweiler 120
11 Kent Lockhart 115
12 James Fawcett 112
13 Tyler Smith 111
14 Caleb Campbell 99
15 Arty Hicks 97
16 Chris Tyler 94
17 Scott Carpenter 82
18 Jeff Updegrove 70
19 Tony Blair 68
20 Damen Workentin 53
21 Kurtis Meier 45
22 John Mosher 35
23 Mark Kewley 25
24 Bryan Grossbach 25
25 Rick Petrie 20
26 Harry Shimp 18
27 Adam Bleything 14
28 Vince Naccarato 12
29 Scott Donaldson 7
30 Eric Frayley 3
31 Jerry Powell 0
32 Nathan Smiley 0
33 Kyle McCready 0
34 Lars Nordgren 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Greg Larmer 300
2 Tom Osborn 287
3 Dale Bare 177
4 Bob Decker 171
5 Tom Thompson 164
6 Don Moore 22
.
Women
1 Mel Snodgrass 79
2 Robin Reimer 74
3 Tracy Johnson 17
.
Junior
1 Nicklaus Unruh 42
2 Cameron Unruh 36
.
112 members

Trying to keep this from getting lost in the shuffle.

[kselrod]

Would it be possible to divide the State into a couple more quadrants next year? Or is that just not feasible? Just a thought as I would love to get Southeast Kansas more active in the KDGA but don't see how to do that since we have to travel so far for most of the tournaments and nobody seems willing to travel that far. I should hear by the end of the year if the Parks and Rec are ready to install the 18 hole course in Pittsburg. That would give us 4 courses in the area and possibly a 5th course at Big Hill Lake near Parsons KS which is sounding promising. I'm open to any ideas to help promote the KDGA in this corner of the State? Could we start by getting our own section on the message board for info regarding Southeast Kansas? I would be interested in helping keep it current and up to date. Let me know.

[smitty]

Would it be possible to divide the State into a couple more quadrants next year? Or is that just not feasible? Just a thought as I would love to get Southeast Kansas more active in the KDGA but don't see how to do that since we have to travel so far for most of the tournaments and nobody seems willing to travel that far. I should hear by the end of the year if the Parks and Rec are ready to install the 18 hole course in Pittsburg. That would give us 4 courses in the area and possibly a 5th course at Big Hill Lake near Parsons KS which is sounding promising. I'm open to any ideas to help promote the KDGA in this corner of the State? Could we start by getting our own section on the message board for info regarding Southeast Kansas? I would be interested in helping keep it current and up to date. Let me know.

Any KDGA member can run a tourney anyplace they want. The best way to get people interested is to have KDGA events. Problem is you will not get many points do to lack of members. The reason we haven't split region 2 and Region 4 is simple, numbers. We don't have many members and have never had many members in the Eastern portion of those regions.

I am sure that you could have a section on the forum, that would be a job for Adkins.

[Swede]

I am trying not to be pissed off, but I played nearly half the tour (just not the right ones)

Well I will be a little pissed off for you. That is a bad beat. Especially, like you said, after all that travel. Lotty Dotty, free JNotty, Lotty Dotty, Lotty.

Couple things--

#1) Just to stir the pot, Bo has to work this Saturday and will not be attending 1880 DUBS. So for those of you chasing that Frizz Rocker Finals Freebie, get yourself a partner and let's throw down some dubs.

and

B) While I hesitate to suggest anything that makes more work for Schoenny, it seems like we could use some weighted participation points to fix some of these sore bums. These numbers are totally hypothetical but lets say that for participating in a tourney, players get the following points IN ADDITION to a point for each KDGA member they beat...
OPEN 20
ADV 12
INT 8
REC 4

This would reward folks that play 1/2 the events and aren't sandbagging.
It keeps ams from racking up more points in Ice Bowls than they can make in a season of tourneys.
And it keeps folks from winning a KDGA event and coming away with 7 points

[smitty]

Biggest problem is that nothing can be done about it this year. We do need to look at making some changes before next year to keep things like this from happening. This is how the "Frizz-Rocker Clause" came about.

Kindy suggested the following.


Open- 50%
Advanced- 40%
Am- Top 1/3

[smitty]

Looks to me like Joe plays the last 2 events, he will be in with the frizz-rocker clause depending on what mace does. Do you need his number?

[b]

It seems to me that the double and triple point system has created more negatives than positives. You make GBO and DO DAH or the ROCK and you're in. You go to 20 other events and can't possibly catch the guy who played the big 2 or 3. I think the BIG ones will always draw big w/o the point incentive. Back in the day, we gave bonus pts. to the small tourneys that drew 10 or so players, and that still wasn't much of an advantage. I would like to see the overall point standings w/o any bonus pts figured in. It might make for closer races in all divisions.

To help encourage SE and NE KS or actually any area to hold more KDGA events maybe a minimun pts per tourney system. Say 20 pts. for 1st and down from there, so if only 5 members you get no less than 16 pts.

We also had a one event per town rule back then, but there was only one course in each town. That rule was to keep the big cities from dominating the tour with more events. I'm all for more events. The more the better. But I believe we have more than one tour event at the Emporia courses; I'm not sure about Topeka or anywhere else. Does this give an unfair advantage to the locals? Nothing against DD or LSD. but when it's your business you want to have events, and they run great tourneys, but KDGA should look at keeping it fair for all. Another thought about fairness is late scheduled events. Mulvane was added late this year, and it was a lot of fun. I doubt anyone cared if it was unscheduled. But if we keep growing I can see people wanting to have tourneys on short notice, especially with guaranteed pts.

Back to the overall pts. standings and qualifying, with last chance qualifying you allow over 50% of the small divisions to get in the finals. I'm not sure what started this but it doesn't seem necessary for all divisions. We also qualify players who may only play 1 or 2 events. Maybe a minimum # to qualify?

[Mace Man]

I will not make the 1880 tournament this weekend!!!

[Schoen-hopper]

Whoa, this thread just exploded.

Swede, I think that is an interesting idea. Not a coefficient, but an add in. There might be a way to set this up as a different formula for each division, but if it had to change when players played a division other than their KDGA division, that would be a nightmare. The most difficult thing about it would be when re-figuring (retro) points due to late sign-ups. You could say that instead of re-figuring the points, the new sign ups would just get whatever the player who shot closest to them got. But that would hurt the early events a little, since many players haven't signed up by then. Back to your idea: the main problem I see is that this still wouldn't address my concern: Getting a bigger percentage of pros into the finals. It would just boost their point totals higher.

Buddy, you have a point. I could post the point totals without the 2x and 3x multipliers. I think the 2x points for supertours idea was created to boost attendance by making a competition for who gets the 2x points events. It still works that the bids go to the 3 cities per region that brought in the biggest attendances from the previous year. No town can get two supertour events. It was my thought that the 2 day events should be worth more than the 1 day events, so we made those 3x points. The idea is to keep from limiting the number of tourneys one can get points for. To make it more competitive: player A makes 20 events per year, but player B knows if he plays the big events, he has a chance of catching player A.

We have a 10 point minimum rule for the small events, but it still ends up making a very small difference in the big scheme of things. I've thought about reversing the system to make all the events equal. Say each event was worth 50 points to the winner and you worked backwards from the top? The problem is at the bottom, where the lowest finishers would get tons of points for small events, but few at the big ones. If there was a formula that would spread the numbers out (50.0, 48.7, 47.4, 46.1, etc) so that the bottom finisher still got 1 point, we could round the decimals and they would never be seen. I like this idea, but I don't know how to find such a complicated formula that would involve that many cells. I could see some having a problem with such a system though. Say John Doe decides to run a tournament in Liberal, KS and nobody shows except him and a couple of non-members. He'd get as many points as Eric McCabe winning the Glass Blown Open. To reward the big or small events?

[Schoen-hopper]

Intermediate: 25%
Am Master: 30%
Advanced & Junior: 35%
Master & Grandmaster: 40%
Open & Women: 45%

We're already giving out a ton of extra cash, so I wouldn't want to tweak it too much. If you run the above numbers on our division fields this year, you get a couple less intermediates, and extra advanced, extra master, and 3 extra open players. The players who play 0 to 2 events per year usually sign up intermediate, which boosts their numbers. Also, small divisions get a bigger % qualified with the 2 last chance bids plus regional qualifiers. While the open division just gets the top third. Doesn't seem fair, so this would be a possible solution.